Hank Hanegraff, aka bibleanswerman, is now calling calvinists "fatalists". James White plays one of Hank's calls and refutes him. http://www.straitgate.com/aom/dl/03.htm Look for the August 12 URL at the bottom of the page. The clip starts at about 28 minutes, so one can jump to it and skip the rest.
in Christ, Carlos
"Let all that mind...the peace and comfort of their own souls, wholly apply themselves to the study of Jesus Christ, and him crucified"(Flavel)
Carlos,<br><br>In the "Four Views" book on divine foreknowledge William Lane Craig, an Arminian hiding behind "middle knowledge", does the same thing. I wish these type books were never published. Obviously we would not want to see a point-counter-point book comparing Islam with Christianity. So why dignify Arminianism? Oh I know, one can be a Christian and also be an Arminian. Just the same, would the apostle Paul have laid hands on an Arminian teacher? Should we consider this heresy as a viable option within the household of faith? First we accept something as a viable alternative and then we dignify it through “scholarly” interaction. <br><br>Ron
Are you claiming, as a true believer, that you know all truth? Are those of differing opinions than yours wrong by default? Are you infallible?<br><br><br>God bless,<br><br>william
I know the truth regarding Sin . This is the starting point regarding Salvation.<br><br>Arminians (and I was the chiefest ) do NOT know what Sin is . Until sin is realised for what it is , arminians assume salvation but do not know it .<br><br>That is how it was for me.<br><br>I was NOT A CHRISTIAN when I WAS AN ARMINIAN. <br><br>Feel free to disagree but you cannot alter my experiences .<br><br>howard
<blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr>[color:"blue"]Feel free to disagree but you cannot alter my experiences.</font><hr></blockquote><p>Howard, the mistake you are making here is that you are setting your own experience(s) as the bastion of truth and the standard by which all things, at least in this particular area, are to be judged. The fact is that there are some who profess to hold to Arminianism but who in their hearts, are believing biblical truth (Calvinism). Because of the way sin effects individuals as a whole, it is very possible and a reality that men profess something but actually believe something else. This is that one element you seem to have overlooked . . . INCONSISTENCY between the head and the heart. What is true is that [color:red]IF</font color=red> someone truly believes Arminianism in their heart which they also profess with their mouth, then salvation isn't owned by them. But there are people who do profess Arminian doctrine but in reality don't actually believe it; but in practice, their lives betray them and show that their hearts are not in agreement with their words.<br><br>This is why I asked you if it was possible for an individual to be a reprobate and yet profess Calvinism? Surely, you would never posit that everyone who says they hold to biblical Calvinism is saved? Likewise, not everyone who professes Arminianism is unsaved. It's a sticky wicket as to the perception side of things for us humans. It's often very difficult, if not simply impossible to discern another's true spiritual state. What they say is very important to be sure. But it doesn't necessarily indicate what the person actually believes in the heart. [img]http://www.the-highway.com/w3timages/icons/wink.gif" alt="wink" title="wink[/img]<br><br>In His Grace,
Excellent. I might add that when one is more thought out and consistent with his Arminianism (like open theists), I have cause for greater concern of such a person's salvation. I'd rather be inconsistent than consistently heretical. <br><br>Blessings,<br><br>Ron
<br>Howard,<br><br>I wouldn't say that Arminians do not know what sin is. Take my former pastor for instance. He would confess to me that had God not overcome his rebellious heart sovereignly he would never have come to saving faith. With respect to himself and probably others, he acknowledged that God irresistibly saved him. What he failed to confess is that God is not trying to save everybody. His problem was that he would not accept the necessary consequence of his true "experience". In other word, he refused to conclude that since he needed God’s operative grace, then all men do. He would not say that those who perish God withheld grace from, though he would admit that he himself needed such operative grace. Do you see the difference between muddled theology and consistent heresy? <br><br>We need to be careful not to confuse the gospel with the finer points of the theology. There are certain propositions we must believe in order to be saved; but a perfect understanding and embracement of the five points of Calvinism are not among them. We might keep in mind that every time an Arminian prays for another person he is acting like a Calvinist. In a word, most “Arminians” are better in practice than in creed. It’s the super-consistent Arminians that concern me the most.<br><br>Ron<br>
What about those who start out as Calvinists and drift into Arminianism but come back to Calvinism?
True godliness is a sincere feeling which loves God as Father as much as it fears and reverences Him as Lord, embraces His righteousness, and dreads offending Him worse than death~ Calvin
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