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The mercy of God is necessary not only when a person repents, but even to lead him to repent, Augustine
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Hmmmmm, now that is what I call a compact question. How about expanding on that just a wee bit so at least this old guy can try and grasp what it is you are asking? ![[Linked Image]](http://the-highway.com/Smileys/crazy2.gif)
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Ok, I'll try again....
maybe first I should ask can faith and assurance be separated or are they too interconnected.....?
If they can be considered 2 different experiential aspects of salvation.....how should each be defined and where might the overlap be?
a knock against Calvinism, I often come across, is that you can never truly know you are elect......but obviously our belief in assurance (as well as our faith in God's mercy and Jesus' sacrifice.....as applied to ourselves-which is basically assurance?) would be the counter to that....
thanks!
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Ok, I'll try again....
maybe first I should ask can faith and assurance be separated or are they too interconnected.....?
If they can be considered 2 different experiential aspects of salvation.....how should each be defined and where might the overlap be? The Dutch/Continental Reformed confessions and catechism differ from the other Reformed confessions and catechisms. The Westminster Assembly, I believe, is most accurate on this matter as they wrote in the WCF XVIII, "Of Assurance of Grace and Salvation": I. Although hypocrites and other unregenerate men may vainly deceive themselves with false hopes and carnal presumptions of being in the favor of God, and estate of salvation[1] (which hope of theirs shall perish):[2] yet such as truly believe in the Lord Jesus, and love Him in sincerity, endeavouring to walk in all good conscience before Him, may, in this life, be certainly assured that they are in the state of grace,[3] and may rejoice in the hope of the glory of God, which hope shall never make them ashamed.[4]
II. This certainty is not a bare conjectural and probable persuasion grounded upon a fallible hope;[5] but an infallible assurance of faith founded upon the divine truth of the promises of salvation,[6] the inward evidence of those graces unto which these promises are made,[7] the testimony of the Spirit of adoption witnessing with our spirits that we are the children of God,[8] which Spirit is the earnest of our inheritance, whereby we are sealed to the day of redemption.[9]
III. This infallible assurance does not so belong to the essence of faith, but that a true believer may wait long, and conflict with many difficulties, before he be partaker of it:[10] yet, being enabled by the Spirit to know the things which are freely given him of God, he may, without extraordinary revelation in the right use of ordinary means, attain thereunto.[11] And therefore it is the duty of every one to give all diligence to make his calling and election sure,[12] that thereby his heart may be enlarged in peace and joy in the Holy Ghost, in love and thankfulness to God, and in strength and cheerfulness in the duties of obedience,[13] the proper fruits of this assurance; so far is it from inclining men to looseness.[14]
IV. True believers may have the assurance of their salvation divers ways shaken, diminished, and intermitted; as, by negligence in preserving of it, by falling into some special sin which wounds the conscience and grieves the Spirit; by some sudden or vehement temptation, by God's withdrawing the light of His countenance, and suffering even such as fear Him to walk in darkness and to have no light:[15] yet are they never so utterly destitute of that seed of God, and life of faith, that love of Christ and the brethren, that sincerity of heart, and conscience of duty, out of which, by the operation of the Spirit, this assurance may, in due time, be revived;[16] and by the which, in the mean time, they are supported from utter despair.[17] So, true faith is inseparable from assurance... BUT, according to certain circumstances the apprehension of it may be diminished or even removed completely for a time, yet assurance will never be forever missing. And certainly this stands to reason for those whom God loves and for whom the Lord Christ makes intercession and within whom the Spirit dwells, God would never allow His adopted sons/daughters to fall into total despair wondering if they are His beloved children.
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