The Highway Forums General Discussion Theology Discussion Forum first corinthians11: 1-16

Thanks for sharing your good news about your new son--and also that great picture. May God bless him and keep him, and use Josiah Matthew in His service, to His glory!<br><br>Theo

Jason,<br><br>I can only repeat what I said earlier, "interesting approach", but I'm afraid I don't find it compelling and I must therefore retain the conclusion I have reached by my own exegetical studies. It is interesting though, that I have never come across your argument before in my readings. Methinks that it is "novel" in that it appears to be a product of a contemporary twist on the redemptive historical hermeneutical model. [img]http://www.the-highway.com/w3timages/icons/grin.gif" alt="grin" title="grin[/img]<br><br>But on to a more important matter and that is my sincerest hope that the Lord God will call Josiah Matthew early in years and that he will be given a new life in Christ.<br><br>In His Grace,

Jason , being a cessationist you dont believe prophecy occurs today.<br><br>I would recommend you read : The Art of Prophesying by William Perkins (1558-1602).<br><br>Tis published by Banner of Truth and would cost about $6.<br><br><br>howard

A sincere thank you Pilgrim. We too pray that the Word of God would find rich soil in our son's heart, by God's marvelous grace.<br><br>As to the novelty of the position, I have run across it a couple of times, though I did not write it down when I did. I think the OPC position paper on singing uninspired music makes an allusion to it, and I would say Matthew Henry is very close:<br><br>"the woman should be in subjection and not assume or usurp the man's place. This is the situation in which God has placed her; and for that reason she should have a mind suited to her rank, and not do any thing that looks like an affectation of changing places. Something like this the women of the church of Corinth seem to have been guilty of, who were under inspiration, and prayed and prophesied even in their assemblies, v. 5. It is indeed an apostolical canon, that the women should keep silence in the churches (ch. xiv. 34; 1 Tim. ii. 12), which some understand without limitation, as if a woman under inspiration also must keep silence, which seems very well to agree with the connection of the apostle's discourse, ch. xiv. Others with a limitation: though a woman might not from her own abilities pretend to teach, or so much as question and debate any thing in the church yet when under inspiration the case was altered, she had liberty to speak. Or, though she might not preach even by inspiration (because teaching is the business of a superior), yet she might pray or utter hymns by inspiration, even in the public assembly. She did not show any affectation of superiority over the man by such acts of public worship. It is plain the apostle does not in this place prohibit the thing, but reprehend the manner of doing it. And yet he might utterly disallow the thing and lay an unlimited restraint on the woman in another part of the epistle. These things are not contradictory. It is to his present purpose to reprehend the manner wherein the women prayed and prophesied in the church, without determining in this place whether they did well or ill in praying or prophesying"<br><br>Also, I would just say in terms of the approach being interesting, I can say with a clear conscience that I was not probing around looking for the escape route due to a personal dislike for the practice or capitulation to the feminist age. I held to the continuance view and was fine with it, until I led a Bible study on 1 Corinthians. Interestingly, it was not until I finished chapter 14 that I had second thoughts, and as I explained earlier, I think there is compelling contextual evidence for the view.<br><br>In any event, I also respect your position and those who continue this practice in the fear of the Lord.<br><br>Sincerely in Christ,<br><br>~Jason<br><br>

I would recommend that you read "The Final Word" by O. Palmer Robertson. [img]http://www.the-highway.com/w3timages/icons/wink.gif" alt="wink" title="wink[/img]<br><br>Sincerely in Christ,<br><br>~Jason<br><br>

Pilgrim<br><br>I agree with what you say concerning this issue, because I have spent a fair amount of time in study on the issue.<br>However, I have yet to find a Church (especially where I live) where this is practiced. Not only that, but I have found that just to bring the topic up in many cases is to open up a can of worms with most Christians.<br>I am not too popular anymore with some people, so rightly or wrongly I am very careful who I discuss such matters with. I now for the most part just commit such matters to prayer. <br>Believe it or not, because I have a concern for being biblical, not that I haven’t been willing to discuss why I believe a certain way, I have embarrassed members of my own family.<br>I wasn’t even aware at the time that I did that so, go figure. [img]http://www.the-highway.com/w3timages/icons/shrug.gif" alt="shrug" title="shrug[/img] <br><br>Tom<br>

Pilgrim<br><br>I will say that although I believe a woman should have long hair, like you I don't know what is considered long and what isn't.<br>But I will say that, in some woman having their hair too long has caused neck, back and jaw problems.<br>So to me, I believe hair should distinguish women from men. Saying more than that, would be just speculation on my part.<br><br>Tom

<blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr>[color:"blue"]But I will say that, in some woman having their hair too long has caused neck, back and jaw problems.</font><hr></blockquote><p> Pray tell, how could long hair cause such physical problems?<br><br>

Pilgrim<br><br>I am not saying that this is the norm for long hair to cause these problems, but the weight of long hair is a strain to these areas.<br>Not long ago, I saw a documentary that was basically on the use of back packs on our children. The weight of these back packs is causing back, shoulder and other problems.<br> During this documentary it also mentioned how in some cases long hair in women can do the very same thing.<br>I believe you can also find information about these problems on the web. (Try the American Chiropractic Association)<br><br>I don't want to speculate on why in some cases long hair can cause these problems and to be quite frank; maybe I shouldn't even have mentioned this before I checked out all the facts behind this. But I didn't anticipate that this would be questioned, because the way it was explained to me made so much sense. Unfortunately I can't remember any of the details.<br><br>Tom

Tom,<br><br>Come on..... ! [img]http://www.the-highway.com/w3timages/icons/rofl.gif" alt="rofl" title="rofl[/img] A full head of healthy hair that reaches down to one's waist only weighs a few ounces at best. There is no way that long hair could cause neck, back or shoulder problems. This would be like saying that long fingernails can cause tendinitis. Was this from a Canadian source? [img]http://www.the-highway.com/w3timages/icons/evilgrin.gif" alt="evilgrin" title="evilgrin[/img] But regardless if it was from some Canadian program, consider the source: Try the American Chiropractic Association. That should have given you a clue that this is a fabricated bunch of hooey! <br><br>

<blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr>[color:"blue"]the weight of long hair is a strain to these areas.</font><hr></blockquote><p> Tom, [img]http://www.the-highway.com/w3timages/icons/ohno.gif" alt="ohno" title="ohno[/img]<br><br>Pilgrim pointed this out, but I MUST ask as well, are YOU serious? I am looking for information at the American Quackpractic Association, but have found nothing yet

Like I said, maybe I should have checked my sources first before saying that.<br><br>I will say however, that I don't believe that all chiropractors are quacks. In the case of my own dad about 3 years ago he had a real bad back that made it hard for him to walk from the house to his car. The doctors couldn't help him with it, so on the recommendations of my uncle he started going to a chiropractor and as a result within a month or two, there was a huge change.<br>I know others who have had the same kind of results by them and I know a few that had bad results too. But I can say the same thing about doctors and physiotherapists.<br><br>By the way, I suggested trying the American Chiropractic Association (I hope I got that name right), not because the documentary was sponsored by them, but because I thought you may be able to find information there.<br><br>Tell you what I will do a search to and will get back to you, regardless of the results.<br><br>Tom

A good little book on this topic is : Understanding Alternative Medicine by Roy Livesey.<br><br>It deals with "holistic health" in the "new age".<br><br>Quite an eye-opener it is too.<br><br>howard

<blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr>[color:"blue"]I will say however, that I don't believe that all chiropractors are quacks. In the case of my own dad about 3 years ago he had a real bad back that made it hard for him to walk from the house to his car. </font><hr></blockquote><p> Tom,<br><br>I am sure "some" do a good job (I personally have degenerative disk disease....), but IF they are saying long hair causes chiropractic problems, well they need to be [img]http://www.the-highway.com/w3timages/icons/bif.gif" alt="bif" title="bif[/img] Of course, if I could get everyone that had a split-end to not go to the barber and come visit my office for $50 an hour and make a free national TV advertisement of it [img]http://www.the-highway.com/w3timages/icons/confused.gif" alt="confused" title="confused[/img] I am sure their motives are as pure as the driven snow!

Tom<br>I thought it a little comical that you didn't think this would be questioned!! You KNOW everything is questioned here, which is why we love it!<br><br>I also have to agree about the hair being too heavy. I think this is just propaganda, but who knows.