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Re: Any other reformed Baptist Systematic Theologies? [Re: sojourner] #53019
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His take on Eschatology has changed, and wasn't there some big issue concerning his son in theology?

Re: Any other reformed Baptist Systematic Theologies? [Re: JesusFan] #53028
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Re: Any other reformed Baptist Systematic Theologies? [Re: sojourner] #53029
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What was he holding to that was giving his problems?

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Re: Any other reformed Baptist Systematic Theologies? [Re: JesusFan] #53045
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RC Jr was defrocked for holding to Federal Vision theology - basically a call back to Rome!

Re: Any other reformed Baptist Systematic Theologies? [Re: Robin] #53046
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Originally Posted By: Robin
RC Jr was defrocked for holding to Federal Vision theology - basically a call back to Rome!

Could you please supply reference to any official disciplinary action taken against R.C. Sproul, Jr. on the cause of him holding to Federal Vision which resulted in him being defrocked?

From my recollection, he has never been officially discipled due to an embracing, teaching or preaching Federal Vision. I am certainly open to correction on that if such discipline has been rendered. What I do remember, which I have referenced below, is that Sproul, Jr. along with the entire Session of St. Peter Presbyterian Church were deposed for 7 violations of the B.O.C. (Book of Church Order). Since that time several other incidences by R.C. Sproul, Jr. have occurred, some far worse, which have resulted in disciplinary action.


Declaratory Judgement.

Disclaimer on R.C. Sproul, Jr. and a Chr...ource Documents.


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Re: Any other reformed Baptist Systematic Theologies? [Re: Pilgrim] #53048
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What is Federal Vision? I thought he was in trouble over golding to God authoring sin/evil? Like Hyper Calvinism?

Re: Any other reformed Baptist Systematic Theologies? [Re: JesusFan] #53055
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Originally Posted By: JesusFan
What is Federal Vision?

Federal Vision is a 'refined' version of NPP (New Perspective on Paul).

The following article will give you a good introduction to this damnable heresy which is basically a move back to Rome: The Great Exchange by Philip Eveson.

Here are a couple more articles on FV and NPP:

- A Defense of the Old Perspective by Phil Johnson

- Debating the Federal Vision by Anthony Dallison

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Re: Any other reformed Baptist Systematic Theologies? [Re: Pilgrim] #53058
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Thanks...
So this is an offshoot of the NT Wright wrong views on pauline justification?

And federal headship is different from this, correct?

Re: Any other reformed Baptist Systematic Theologies? [Re: JesusFan] #53061
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Originally Posted By: JesusFan
Thanks...
So this is an offshoot of the NT Wright wrong views on pauline justification?

And federal headship is different from this, correct?

1. Yes, this is a morph of NT Wright's "New Perspective on Paul".

2. Yes and No. It's core views are very similar to NPP but it has it's own peculiarities which at the end of the day amount to a grace+works=justification heresy. The articles I linked to should help answer some/many of your questions.

One of the best books published thus far that goes into depth on this subject is Cornelis Venema's The Gospel of Free Acceptance in Christ.


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Re: Any other reformed Baptist Systematic Theologies? [Re: JesusFan] #53065
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I thonk it was the RPCGA who defrocked RC Junior, and I think it was due to some teaching he had done sympathetic to FV.

Documentation is probably available but frankly I'm doing 15-hour workdays and can barely hold my eyes open to search it all out until I have a day off.

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Re: Any other reformed Baptist Systematic Theologies? [Re: Robin] #53070
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Concerning Federal Vision, another advocate of that theology Douglas Wilson, apparently fairly recently distanced himself from Federal Vision.
Trying to find out more information about it.

Tom

Re: Any other reformed Baptist Systematic Theologies? [Re: Pilgrim] #53075
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Always though that NT Wright and those others advocating this were trying to really make a Theology that allowed us to come back home to the "mother church of rome"

Re: Any other reformed Baptist Systematic Theologies? [Re: Pilgrim] #53076
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Denying the imputation of the grace of the Cross towards sinners is to deny the very geart pf the Gospel!

Re: Any other reformed Baptist Systematic Theologies? [Re: JesusFan] #53082
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Originally Posted By: JesusFan
Denying the imputation of the grace of the Cross towards sinners is to deny the very geart pf the Gospel!

Perhaps you are confused on this one? NPP and FV deny the imputation of Christ's active obedience, not the "imputation of grace", which isn't found in the Bible either. scratchchin


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Re: Any other reformed Baptist Systematic Theologies? [Re: Pilgrim] #53084
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They would deny that God imputes the rightiousness of Christ towards us based upon Him dieing as keeping the Law fully, as asthe covenant keeper or something?

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