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Re: "Christ died in a general way for all."? [Re: 042Dave] #56525
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I don't have time to read through this very old thread/discussion, so my reply is probably a repeat of what has already been voiced. grin

I basically agree with your description of "common grace", but my opposition is of the term itself; "common grace". Why? Because when I read Scripture, "grace" is not "common" but specifically grace is always salvific in nature. To whom God shows grace, the individual is infallibly saved. Again, what I read in Scripture is that God is "benevolent" universally to sinners in myriad ways, all of which are either to lead one to repentance (Rom 2:4) or in the case of the elect, to sanctify them and evoke true worship toward Him. And lastly, as you intimate, and I simply describe in different terms, the providence of God which directs all things, also has a restraining aspect to it in that He prevents the wickedness of men from destroying Christ's church.

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Re: "Christ died in a general way for all."? [Re: Pilgrim] #56526
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Thanks. I agree.

Re: "Christ died in a general way for all."? [Re: Anonymous] #56592
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Because when I read Scripture, "grace" is not "common" but specifically grace is always salvific in nature.


My sentiments exactly.


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Re: "Christ died in a general way for all."? [Re: Anonymous] #56603
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When we understand that Christs Death actually converts them He died for to God, its easy to understand He didnt merely die for all without exception, in which all without exception are converted to God. His Death brings us to God 1 Pet 3:18


For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:

That word bring is greek word prosagō:

to lead, to bring

to open a way of access, for one to God

to render one acceptable to God

in a forensic sense, to summon (to trial or punishment)

to draw near to, approach

the land which a sailor is approaching seeming to approach him

Psalms 65:4

Blessed is the man whom thou choosest,
and causest to approach unto thee, that he may dwell in thy courts:


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Re: "Christ died in a general way for all."? [Re: Anonymous] #56615
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The religion of man doesn't believe that the death of Christ alone results in the Eternal Salvation of all for whom Christ died, namely His Sheep Jn 10:11,15 or His Church Eph 5:25, or His People Matt 1:21.

His death for His people produces saving results Jn 12:32-33 23,24

32 And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me. 33 This he said, signifying what death he should die.

23 And Jesus answered them, saying, The hour is come, that the Son of man should be glorified. 24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except a corn of wheat fall into the ground and die, it abideth alone: but if it die, it bringeth forth much fruit.


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Re: "Christ died in a general way for all."? [Re: Anonymous] #56617
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The Death of Christ alone saved them he died for, namely the Elect, the Sheep, since by His One Offering they were sanctified unto God once and for all Heb 10:10

10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.


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Re: "Christ died in a general way for all."? [Re: Anonymous] #56626
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The word sanctified here in Heb 10:10 is the word hagiaz; and means:

to purify by expiation: free from the guilt of sin

The Death of Christ has freed them He died for from the guilt of sin. It also agrees with Heb 1:3

Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;
The word purged is the word katharismos: 6

a cleansing from the guilt of sins wrought by the expiatory sacrifice of Christ

So cleansing from and freedom from the guilt of sin is automatically a saving result of the death of Christ !

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Re: "Christ died in a general way for all."? [Re: Anonymous] #56630
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A companion verse of Heb 10:10 which confirms the saving result of them Christ died for, namely His Sheep, its Heb 10:14

14 For by one offering[His death] he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.

Now who are the them that are sanctified ? Look again at Heb 10:10, and how were they sanctified ? Now these by that same means, Christs death are said to be perfected forever ! This includes their Justification before God, a complete cleansing of all the guilt of their sins. And that for ever !


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Re: "Christ died in a general way for all."? [Re: Anonymous] #56632
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The Blood/Death of Christ not only legally saved all for whom He died, but it also effects experiential salvation or conversion. Heb 9:12-14

12 Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.

13 For if the blood of bulls and of goats, and the ashes of an heifer sprinkling the unclean, sanctifieth to the purifying of the flesh:

14How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?

"How much more shall the blood of Christ purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?"

You see this ? Its the powerful Blood of Christ that converts them He died for unto serving the living God. That means they shall live by the Faith of Christ unto serving the True and Living God.

1 Thess 1:9

For they themselves shew of us what manner of entering in we had unto you, and how ye turned to God from idols to serve the living and true God;

This is a result of the powerful effectual blood of Christ !

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Christs blood/Death converts them He died for, His Church or Sheep into a kingdom of priests Rev 1:5-618

5 And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,

6 And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.


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Re: "Christ died in a general way for all."? [Re: Anonymous] #56634
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See as a result of His Blood shed and consequently it washes those He died for from their sins, He makes, produces them into spiritual priests. The word made in Rev 1:6 is the word poieó and means:

to make, do
Usage: (a) I make, manufacture, construct, (b) I do, act, cause.

with the names of the things made, to produce, construct, form, fashion,

to create, to produce: of God, as the author of all things, τί or τινα, Matthew 19:4; Mark 10:6; Luke 11:40; Hebrews 1:2; Acts 4:24; Acts 7:50; Acts 17:24; Revelation 14:7

The death of Christ results in a new creation !


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Re: "Christ died in a general way for all."? [Re: Anonymous] #56635
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Redeemed from the curse of the Law !

Those Christ died for are consequently saved, redeemed from the curse of the Law. Gal 3:13

13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:

Now it tells us specifically how these believers were redeemed from the curse of the Law. Succinctly stated "being made a curse for us:" This refers to His death, its the same as when he wrote to the Church at Corinthians these words "For he hath made him to be sin for us"

So anyone for whom Christ died, has been redeemed from the curse of the Law.

So when Jesus shall say to these Matt 25:4129

Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:

Its absolutely impossible any of these on left hand, can be anyone Christ was made sin or a curse for !


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Another passage of scripture that Illustrates and proves that Christs death effects saving/converting results is 1 Pet 1:18-21

18 Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers;

19 But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:

20 Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,

21 Who by him do believe in God, that raised him up from the dead, and gave him glory; that your faith and hope might be in God.

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Christs death accomplished/effected both Justification and Reconciliation for them He died for, His Elect Rom 5:9-11

9 Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him. 10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life. 11 And not only so, but we also joy in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom we have now received the atonement/reconciliation.


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The problem with man made religion that goes out in the name of Christ is this:

They don't believe nor acknowledge that Christ Work alone for those He died for, His Sheep, that it made the salvation of their souls sure and effectual !


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