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There is an issue that I don’t really know what to think about.
What I am talking about is a trend lately among the Right, that seems to be doing the job of the Left Woke for them.
It has to do with Israel for the most part.
Now I understand that often Dispensationalists, often have loyalty to Israel at all costs, because of their eschatological hermeneutics.

Yet, I am starting to hear non-Dispensationalists go too far the other way. Making it sound like Zionist’s are the biggest problem in the world.

This, often takes the focus away from the Islamic agenda that is happening all over the world.

Has anyone noticed this trend and what are your thoughts?

Tom

Sooooo, where are you getting this idea from? This is what we hear in the US from the Lame Street Media. The only people of any status are Fuentes, Tucker Carlson, and maybe Marjorie Taylor Greene. Yes, there may be [i[some[/i] few individuals who are anti-Semitic that are part of the Conservative movement, but they are FEW in number. Typically, you are triggered by false narratives from people you [i]assume[/i[ are reliable because they claim to be "reformed" or "conservative" or "friends" ad nauseam. What counts Tom are FACTS. And there are no FACTS that show that there is any "trend" among the Right embracing Woke ideas... period!

HINT: (often given to you) STOP reading, listening, associating with sources that promote nonsense ideas. Will that mean you cut yourself off from the majority of your "friends", news outlets, social media sources, etc.? But, trust me, you will enjoy the freedom from being plagued by those of this world.

Perhaps a few people are "rediscovering" (probably better to say uncovering) the eschatological views of earlier times in Church history before the revivalists pushed Dispensationalism so much.

The nation-state of Israel doesn't play any role in the final end of things, except in Dispensational theology where it plays a central role.

Perhaps that difference in view of Israel as a nation is being mistaken for "antisemitism" by the one side that makes Israel (as a race and/or as a nation-state) central to it's eschatology.

You mentioned Fuentes, he and Candace Owens seem to be big sources of this.
They have a huge following even among the Reformed community.

By the way, I am in the process of weeding out sites I previously enjoyed.

Tom

Robin

My understanding of eschatology is basically the same as yours.
I do not even mind stating that; when I am talking to people.
Regardless of the facts some Dispis may call me ant-Semitic because of it.

However, when people cross the line and make it sound like Israel is as bad as
Islamists; that is where I draw the line.

I have no idea how many are going to these lengths; but enough are doing it.
People like Feuntes and Candace Owens seems to be a major source of this
kind of thing.

This is just one of the reasons I am starting to weed out many of the sites I previously
enjoyed.

Tom

1. Yes, unbelievably Candace Owens has come under heavy criticism too. She used to be a really reliable individual for truth. Very sad.

2. "They (Fuentes and Candace Owens) have a huge following even among the Reformed community". My only comment would have to be, What a denigrating statement concerning the self-proclaimed "Reformed Community".

2 Timothy 3:13-14 (ASV) 13 But evil men and impostors shall wax worse and worse, deceiving and being deceived. 14 But abide thou in the things which thou hast learned and hast been assured of, knowing of whom thou hast learned them.

Candace used to be one of my favourites.
Somewhere along the way, she went off the rails.

Tom

I think we can take a nuanced perspective on this topic. If you include the power and propaganda aspects of the debate then the powers that control Israel - not Israel itself - but the security and communication apparatus - may be having a much greater influence on our politics. Radical Islam will deservingly receive all of the negative press they have earned and then some. I’m more concerned with the collateral damage and dehumanization of the citizens of any given nation who are often underrepresented - this includes Russians, Ukrainians, Israelis-Jewish or otherwise, Palestinians, etc, etc. As long as we take the agendas of any given nation at a moral face value, I’m ok with the reasonable reporting of more reliable outlets. Hopefully, the people of these nations are being respected and well represented by their leaders(hopefully ethically & legitimately appointed). I don’t expect a more conspiratorial perspective to rightfully gain traction as there would be too much guess work involved. I do think neo-cons have cozied up with dangerous elements of Islam (lesser evils) in the past - but I have nothing too specific in mind when I say that. But I think the power dynamic favors Israel and sometimes to our own detriment, but I’m not looking to engage in specific examples or possible hypotheticals.

I do believe Tucker Carlson, Candace Owens, etc, have gone way off the rails. I would ignore them.

An interesting case study would be George Soros, who I believe is a Zionist, in terms of long-term destabilization agenda. I believe his actions and philosophy are aligned with a long-term nation undermining/destroying agenda which would align with a more secular-Zionist agenda. (When I discovered how liberal Israel actually is, this connection made a little more sense to me). https://savethewest.com/op-ed-how-george-soros-funds-anti-semitism/

It almost appears like Soros aids both sides of the conflict both directly & indirectly. The speculative perspective would question if this was by design - so the long-term concern would be the eventual establishment of a globalist new world order, while short term a radical Islam would appear the biggest enemy to civilization (which of course it is). So either way the long-term analysis seems dark. But also exactly how God intends it (if it be His Will).

So I think the view that Islam is the biggest threat is a totally legitimate and reasonably true acknowledgment. Concerns surrounding Israel really have nothing to do with Israel but more to do with Zionism which is more of a secular, not religious, agenda, that has to do with the confiscation of wealth and power, not religious supremacy- although religion will be suppressed.

Anthony
Like you I have a bit of a nuanced position on the matter.

Concerning Candace Owen and Fuentes.
I agree with you about them.
However, I do not hold the same view about Tucker Carlson.
Although I think it was unwise for him to interview Fuentes.
Nevertheless, he clarified his views on another program and I am fairly certain
he does not share the same views as Owens and Fuentes.

The Right as I mentioned in a way is doing the work of the Left, because they
are fighting amongst themselves.

I believe the following explains Tucker’s views. if you are interested.
By the way, I am not really a big fan of Tuckers, but I don’t
want to misrepresent his views either.

I have little doubt that there are real Zionist’s involved in all this.
You mentioned George Soros, I believe he is a good example.

He and others may also be playing Israel and Hamas against each other.

Nevertheless, although what is happening in Israel was started by Hamas and other
terrorists groups. Who exists for the sole purpose of killing all Jews “from sea to sea.”

It is also very clear that many even in Canada and the USA are on Hamas’s side.
Muslims have an agenda and Woke falls right into their agenda. If we say anything against Muslims,
Woke adherents will call you an Islamophobe.

They will even add that the PM of Israel needs to be arrested, on the charge of terrorism.
Which is exactly what the new Muslim mayor of NYC has said and vowed to use his powers as the mayor
to get him arrested.

The mayor of Dearborn MI, who is also a Muslim definitely is a Hamas supporter and when a local pastor
called him on this.
The mayor told the pastor that he and other people like him are no longer welcome in Dearborn.

This whole matter is nuanced.
Even Right Wing Christian Dispensationalists, calling Right Wing non-Dispensationalist, anti-Semitics.

Tom

I’ve never heard or read anything by Nick Fuentes to my recollection. I have heard of him. He sounds like a pot-stirrer and an attention-seeker. He’s easy to disregard. Tucker Carlson has been around forever. He’s ok I guess. I think he runs in elite circles so he may be ideologically correct, but I’m not too keen on the folks who are propped up as people who share our values and we need to rally behind cause I think they will disappoint us every time. So I don’t think I support your premise as I see a left - right elite paradigm that ultimately goes with the current/tide - never against (or only takes hard stands AFTER the irreconcilable damage). There are folks on the left who believe the liberal elite are complete frauds, though they are definitely not my concern. It’s too bad that average citizens don’t typically rise to positions of prominence and remain surrounded by those who have similar roots and are like minded. Too many of our conservative heros & icons are bred in Ivy League circles.

Also if you closely follow the blind support for Israel, our Democrat officials typically fall in line when it matters most, so the idea that the Democrats vote against supporting Israel is not accurate. Do Democrats support policy that favors Muslims to the detriment of the American way of life? Certainly. While they continue to support Israel wholeheartedly with their votes and ultimate support. Because only Israel is in immediate danger… Americans can basically jump in a lake to accommodate diversity.

Nick Fuentes is someone I actually never heard of until a few months ago.
However, his name kept coming up a lot, in my trying to understand matters.

He is far right, and both him and Candace Owen, are creating quite a stir among believers.
The person I am disappointed in, is Candace Owen. I used to follow her quite a bit and really
enjoyed her debates and commentary.
However, she has gone off the rails, especially with her conspiracy theories about Charlie Kirk.

Recently, a friend send me a video of her. I could hardly make out what she was trying to say. Which is
strange, because in the past she spoke with a lot of eloquence and reasoning.

It appears to me, that I began to see a change in her when she converted to Roman Catholicism, which is her husband’s religion. Her reason for converting to Roman Catholicism is similar to VP Vance.
Basically that (although nuanced) Roman Catholicism is a lot older than Protestantism.

There are a lot of people who remain loyal to Candace, and defend her against others who no longer follow her.

By the way, I am trying to stay away from other discussion forums that bring up things like that.

Tom

That is something I am not really familiar with.
I do know however, that much of the Woke community seems to be more in favour of
Islam than Israel, or even Christianity.

Tom