Chris,<br><br>I like what Charles Hodge says in regards to verse 13. Hope this helps. <br><blockquote><br>[color:red]Until the law</font color=red>. The [color:red]law</font color=red> here mentioned is evidently the law of Moses. The word acri is properly rendered [color:red]until</font color=red>, and not during the continuance of, a sense which the particle has in some passages. [color:red]Until the law</font color=red> is immediately explained by the words [color:red]from Adam to Moses</font color=red> . [color:red]Sin was in the world, i.e.</font color=red> men were sinners, and were so regarded and treated. [color:red]Sin is not imputed</font color=red>, that is, it is not <span style="background-color:yellow;">laid to one's account</span>, and punished. See 4:8, "Blessed is the man to whom the Lord imputeth not iniquity;" and the familiar equivalent expressions. "His iniquity shall be upon him," Numbers 15:31; and, "He shall bear his iniquity." The word (ellogeitai) here used, occurs nowhere else in any Greek writer, except in Philemon 18. The common word for impute is logizomai. [color:red]When there is no law</font color=red>... there not being law. Sin is correlative of law. If there is no law, there can be no sin, as Paul had already taught, 4:15. But if there is no sin without law, there can be no imputation of sin. As, however, sin was imputed, as sin was in the world, as men were sinners, and were so regarded and treated before the law of Moses, it follows that there must be some more comprehensive law in relation to which men were sinners, and in virtue of which they were so regarded and treated. The principle here advanced, and on which the apostle's argument rests is, that the infliction of penal evil implies the violation of law. If men were sinners, and were treated as such before the law of Moses, it is certain that there is some other law, for the violation of which sin was imputed to them. </blockquote><br>You can find the rest of the commentary on Chapter 5 here: <br>romasn5_12_21<br><br>in Christ,<br>Carlos
"Let all that mind...the peace and comfort of their own souls, wholly apply themselves to the study of Jesus Christ, and him crucified"(Flavel)
Thanks Carlos.<br><br>Hmmm, Pilgrim and Hodge sure sound a lot alike. Hey wait, what's your real name, Pilgrim??<br><br>[img]http://www.the-highway.com/w3timages/icons/idea.gif" alt="idea" title="idea[/img]<br><br>Chris
<blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr>[color:"blue"]Hey wait, what's your real name, Pilgrim??</font><hr></blockquote><p>Chief of Sinners; twin brother of the apostle Paul in that regard! <br><br>
oops. I'm not sure how I managed create this as a new thread; I meant to reply this back to you in the other thread. It must be the rust of not having posted in a while. I think I posted this twice too. [img]http://www.the-highway.com/w3timages/icons/laugh.gif" alt="laugh" title="laugh[/img] <br><br> <br>Carlos
"Let all that mind...the peace and comfort of their own souls, wholly apply themselves to the study of Jesus Christ, and him crucified"(Flavel)