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#18067 - Fri Oct 01, 2004 12:53 PM Who are you voting for?  
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Here is a poll for those who are able to vote in the coming presidential election. The choices are in alphabetical order.

On election day, who is getting your vote for president?
single choice
Votes accepted starting: Fri Oct 01, 2004 12:00 AM
You must vote before you can view the results of this poll.
#18068 - Mon Oct 04, 2004 1:23 AM Re: Who are you voting for? [Re: rbnd]  
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So what part of secret ballot don't you get?


Peter

If you believe what you like in the gospels, and reject what you don't like, it is not the gospel you believe, but yourself. Augustine of Hippo
#18069 - Mon Oct 04, 2004 5:50 PM Re: Who are you voting for? [Re: rbnd]  
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Thanks to everyone who has already cast their secret ballot, and to others who will do so between now and the election.

#18070 - Fri Oct 08, 2004 5:35 PM Re: Who are you voting for? [Re: rbnd]  
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Go Purdue! So guess at it alre...
I will be voting for the Constitution Party on a national level, and Libertarian on a local level. I have lost patience with the GOP and their foot-dragging on abortion, and hope to be one of a large raft of people who contribute to the waking up of the GOP.

Besides, if Kerry wins, Hillary's campaign is dead in '08.


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#18071 - Fri Oct 08, 2004 6:30 PM Re: Who are you voting for? [Re: E_F_Grant]  
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Here is an interesting poll that I just saw today that might be of interest to fans of the Constitution Party:

http://www.southerncaucus.org/pollresults.htm

#18072 - Sat Oct 09, 2004 11:07 AM Re: Who are you voting for? [Re: E_F_Grant]  
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Hi E F

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and hope to be one of a large raft of people who contribute to the waking up of the GOP.


Or will you be one of a large raft of people who will help Kerry get into office because of voting for a 3rd party??? Remember Ross Perot?? Now would Clinton have gotten into office if not for Perot???

Now I really have no idea what the Constitution Party believes and stands for and they may very well be more of what I believe and stand for. But that doesn't change the fact that if one votes for a 3rd party, it takes a vote away from Bush. We all know it's either going to be Bush or Kerry. Which one do you want??? Do you want the one in who WILL further fund stem-cell research for embryos and put liberal judges in??? Well you can guess who I'm voting for.

You mention abortion issues. I don't know all of the details of the Republican party "foot-draggin" on abortion (maybe you can fill me in on the details here), but it seems clear that Bush leans more on the side of pro-life (did you see the 2nd debate last night??). You tell me what other President will we ever get that will be more on the side of pro-life than him???? I doubt we will ever see it. The fact remains that if people don't get out there and vote for Bush, Kerry will be the next President.

#18073 - Sat Oct 09, 2004 11:17 AM Re: Who are you voting for? [Re: janean]  
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But that doesn't change the fact that if one votes for a 3rd party, it takes a vote away from Bush.


I must really object to this line of reasoning, Janean. Voting for a third party in no sense "takes a vote away from Bush." It is this kind of thinking which perpetuates the problems of our dominantly two-party system. President Bush does not own Eleanor's vote; Eleanor does, and she has the right to cast that vote toward whichever candidate she deems best for the office. It is not right for you or anyone else to bully her by telling her that a vote for the candidate she most favors is actually a vote for the candidate she least favors.

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We all know it's either going to be Bush or Kerry. Which one do you want???


What if she doesn't want either of them?


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#18074 - Sat Oct 09, 2004 1:29 PM Re: Who are you voting for? [Re: CovenantInBlood]  
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President Bush does not own Eleanor's vote; Eleanor does, and she has the right to cast that vote toward whichever candidate she deems best for the office. It is not right for you or anyone else to bully her by telling her that a vote for the candidate she most favors is actually a vote for the candidate she least favors.


Now this is why I said and I repeat what part of secret ballot don't you get? It is nobody's business but the person voting whom they vote for and frankly I wish people would keep it to themselves. If they wish to promote one parties goals and ideals (whatever they may be) they are free to do so. But let's keep the ballots secret, that would be one way to ensure that people do vote and keep the Media from anouncing the results before all the polls are in.


Peter

If you believe what you like in the gospels, and reject what you don't like, it is not the gospel you believe, but yourself. Augustine of Hippo
#18075 - Sat Oct 09, 2004 3:51 PM Re: Who are you voting for? [Re: Peter]  
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Go Purdue! So guess at it alre...
My vote for Peroutka is a vote for Peroutka. I must vote my conscience, and my conscience will not allow me to vote for Bush. I suggest you do some research into what Mr. Peroutka wishes to accomplish. You might be gratified to find a man who actually wishes to do government the way it was intended to be.

Might shock you, OTOH.


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#18076 - Sat Oct 09, 2004 7:15 PM Re: Who are you voting for? [Re: E_F_Grant]  
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E_F_Grant

The bottom line is you are correct; you need to vote with your conscience.
I don't think it is wrong to consider the fact also however, that a vote for Peroutka is one vote less for Bush (assuming that if you didn't vote for Peroutka you would vote for Bush).
I believe this election is going to be a very close one. Therefore, if conservatives decide to go with Peroutka instead of Bush. Kerry will probably win it since Peroutka probably doesn't stand a chance. But then again, how can he stand a chance if nobody votes for him?

Of course one still needs to go with their conscience and if that means Kerry wins by the fault, so be it.

By the way, I am a Canadian, so I can't vote in the election.

Tom

#18077 - Sat Oct 09, 2004 7:47 PM Re: Who are you voting for? [Re: Tom]  
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Happy Thanksgiving, Tom! I used to live in Canada myself. (Canadian Thanksgiving is this coming Monday, for those who weren't aware).

It is my understanding that perhaps two reasons many people may be voting for Peroutka instead of Bush this year are:

1. They believe Bush and the Republicans in D.C. are acting like Democrats
2. They believe the Republicans in D.C. may start acting more like Republicans again if a Democrat was in the White House.

Any thoughts?

#18078 - Sat Oct 09, 2004 9:13 PM Re: Who are you voting for? [Re: rbnd]  
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Any thoughts

Here is a comparison compiled by the National Right to Life organization.

So, the argument that Bush is acting like the Dems is spurious at best. Conservatives may be highly disappointed with government inaction in abortion and other Christian social issues, but replacing Bush with Kerry is nonsensical. Kerry will (if elected) dismantle any progress made in the pro-life movement shortly after taking office. There will be 4 more years of institutionalizing a secular society in all fabric of society. We will become just like Canada and western Europe with our laws. I would say we are headed in that direction now, but Kerry will take us there a lot quicker than Bush.

The argument that voting against Bush will turn to GOP back to true conservatism is erroneous as well, imo. Although it may be debatable, Bush is seen as representing the conservative wing of the Party. If Bush loses, the Party will more likely turn to someone who is pro-choice for the next Presidential election. Presently, I would place the makeup of the GOP as being 15-20% liberal, 40-50% being soft conservative, and only 30-35% being conservative. So, instead of forcing the GOP to become more conservative, conservatives leaving the party will make it be more liberal. With 30-35% of the Party being conservative, the Party has to listen to us on issues that concern us. If we did not have the GOP, we would be completely ignored in policy decisions.

Although we may be disappointed with the GOP ability to deliver their conservatives promises, at least they give us some cover to make inroads. For instance, they exempted homeschoolers in the NCLB legislatiaon. The pro NEA DEMS would place much more restrictions in homeschooling. There are other areas that the GOP gives us cover as well. Plus the Christians who have been placed in important government positions by Bush will be replace by those with a secular mindset.

I am skeptical that the CP Party is representing Christianity in the public square. I know they are correct on pro-life and issues such as that. However, their economic and American-First policies remind me of Ross Perot's platform. They are for trade protectionism and the worst, imo, is CPs isolationist positions.

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#18079 - Sat Oct 09, 2004 9:40 PM Re: Who are you voting for? [Re: John_C]  
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Unlike any time in the past, I know of people who have always voted Republican who are now so upset with what Bush is doing that they have no intention of voting for him. Why do you think this is? I've never seen this kind of reaction before from life-long Republicans towards a Republican president.

#18080 - Sat Oct 09, 2004 10:08 PM Re: Who are you voting for? [Re: Tom]  
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Go Purdue! So guess at it alre...
Actually, if Peroutka were not on the ballot, I could not in good conscience vote for anyone, so I wouldn't vote.

I really don't care who wins. I care about casting my vote before the face of God. If I can't do it in fully good conscience, I had better not vote.

And so far as I am concerned, a vote for Peroutka is not a vote for Kerry. That is nonsense. I cast my vote for someone. In this case, I hope the Republicans get a good, loud message while I do it. As for Kerry, no one can say I voted for him, becuase I will not have. Simple as that.


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#18081 - Sat Oct 09, 2004 10:21 PM Re: Who are you voting for? [Re: rbnd]  
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rbnd said:
Unlike any time in the past, I know of people who have always voted Republican who are now so upset with what Bush is doing that they have no intention of voting for him. Why do you think this is? I've never seen this kind of reaction before from life-long Republicans towards a Republican president.

Could this possibly be because those who have traditionally voted Republican have changed their philosophy/cosmology and moved to the "left"? <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/scratchchin.gif" alt="" /> I think there is some validity to that idea which can be borne out by looking at the core makeup of the Republican Party itself, which has far more "liberals" in its ranks than any other time in history. IMHO, the entire nation is moving "left" and adopting secular humanism's ideals; forsaking the more tradition values. One of the areas which this can be seen is the war in Iraq.

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