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This is the kinda stuff that makes me wanna <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/puke.gif" alt="" /> !

"Earthly Empires"

<img src="/forum/images/graemlins/nope.gif" alt="" /> Oh God what is happening...please keep us faithful

Absolutely disgusting; but, I would want to make clear to those who do not know, that Joel Osteen and Lakewood ARE NOT PART OF THE CHURCH! <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/nope.gif" alt="" /> They are 100% WORD FAITH, which is 100% CULT, and not part of the BODY OF CHRIST but rather the Kingdom of Satan <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/threaddevil.gif" alt="" />. Yes, their leaven is everywhere in the Evangelical Church today, but Osteen himself is as outside the mainstream of historic Christian orthodoxy as the Mormons and Jehovah's Witnesses, and his sins and heresies are far greater and deeper than those common to most "evangelical" magachurches. Many of these "superchurches" come DANGEROUSLY CLOSE to outright heresy, but most have not fallen all the way outside the pale of orthodoxy into outer darkness, preaching a Jesus who died spiritually and was "born again" in hell, and a God who is a slave to the Sovereign Laws of Faith.


Joel Osteen -- Problems!


Preaching a False Positive With a Smile


Soli Deo Gloria,

Brad Hammond

Brad, your first link doesn't work. <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/shrug.gif" alt="" />

Sorry <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/thanks.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/sorry.gif" alt="" />
Try it now.

Brad,

You're proving to be a good resource person.<img src="/forum/images/graemlins/BigThumbUp.gif" alt="" /> Thanks again for the references you've provided and for revealing this wolf in sheep's clothing. Certainly these kinds of folks are a real danger to the church.


Wes <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/thanks.gif" alt="" />

Thanks Brad. I've heard of a couple of different people I know talking about Osteen just recently. He just came to speak at the United Center (in Chicago) a few weeks ago. I had heard from one person that there were "problems" with him. I was wondering what that was about. Now I know!!! Will be interesting if this author now creeps into my church. At least I've got a heads up.

This gives me a headache. Are these guys anything like Oral Roberts and his gang up in Tulsa?

Thanks for the link! <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/BigThumbUp.gif" alt="" />

Indeed they are; I believe the words of Jude apply to them perfectly: "These are...waterless clouds, swept along by winds; fruitless trees in late autumn, twice dead, uprooted; wild waves of the sea, casting up the foam of their own shame; wandering stars, for whom the gloom of utter darkness has been reserved forever" (Jude 12-13). The only reason that I did not choose Word Faith on my "Which Heresy is the Most Dangerous" poll is that its errors are so obvious and egregious, and the "sheeps' clothing" so gaudy and unconvincing that I doubt its ability to seriously deceive many among the elect. But in the wider evangelical church and in the world missions field there is great danger as this false gospel is confused with the real thing. I think D.R. McConnell was right when he said that, in terms of carnal appeal, the Word Faith gospel is "without question the most attractive message being preached today or for that matter, in the whole history of the church...for seldom, if ever, has there been a gospel that promised so much, and demanded so little." Joel Osteen and Joyce Meyer are by far the most dangerous purveyors of this heretical hogwash since they are less flamboyant than others like Benny Hinn, Robert Tilton, Marilyn Hickey, and Paul Crouch, and their "ministries" focus less on miraculous "signs and wonders" and "words of prophecy." As depressing and infuriating as it is to constantly see these false teachers on television and hear them on the radio, my consolation comes from 2 Peter 2:2-3: "their judgment from long ago is not idle, and their destruction slumbereth not."


Vicit Agnus Noster,

Brad Hammond

If he does, give your pastor (and your husband) a copy of Hank Hanegraaff's Christianity in Crisis and DARE them to explain how this heresy is acceptable.


Vicit Agnus Noster

Brad Hammond

Unfortunately, yes. Oral Roberts is thoroughly in line with the Word Faith movement and has identified himself as an adherent, although his origins are somewhat distinct from most of the other more well known Word Faith teachers.
Although Kenneth Hagin is regarded as the "father" of Word Faith, Roberts has provided the movement with one of its most popular doctrines: the "seed faith" teaching or formula. As one website puts it: "Oral Roberts is the granddaddy of all televangelists, as well as being their patron saint...Everybody who has ever asked for a "seed-faith" financial donation MUST tip their hat to brother Roberts."
We can only pray <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/grovel.gif" alt="" /> that the Lord will renew His offer to take Roberts "home" again sometime soon before he swindles any more little old ladies out of their life savings.



Vicit Agnus Noster,

Brade Hammond

You're welcome. <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/coffee2.gif" alt="" />
If you or anyone else wants any more info about these abominable heresies and those who propagate them just let me know.


In Christ,

Brad Hammond

I've heard that if you toss a penny at that giant hand statue in front of ORU (Oral Roberts University) that they'll clap together to catch it.

Right on! <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/rofl.gif" alt="" />