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Re: Never Trump? [Re: Anthony C.] #52298
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I'm absolutely still 'never Trump'. There is no question in my mind that he is the Republican nominee that we deserve and the nominee that God intended (or he wouldn't be the nominee). However, even though it is clear that this is God's will for this country at this time, my citizenship is in heaven and my Christian faith and my conscience can not allow me to cast a vote for him.

In times of judgment and bondage, the Israelites were called to remain separate and to remember the LORD their God (think Daniel) and though kings and kingdoms rose and fell around the exiles, God did not forget them, even though he brought judgment upon those kingdoms. He brought them out and returned them to their land.

To me, the sort of reasoning in the article says, "I can see where God is going with this so I'll help Him along by joining in."

Never Trump for me, even though it may very well be God's will to raise him up at this time.


Trust the past to God's mercy, the present to God's love and the future to God's providence." - St. Augustine
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Re: Never Trump? [Re: gotribe] #52301
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OR... it could be that God has motivated a large group of "Never Trump" people to not vote for him or even not vote at all which will result in Hillary Clinton being elected President. Perhaps the judgment God is going to bring on this godless and perverse nation is far worse than if Trump were elected. evilgrin


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Re: Never Trump? [Re: Pilgrim] #52304
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Originally Posted By: Pilgrim
OR... it could be that God has motivated a large group of "Never Trump" people to not vote for him or even not vote at all which will result in Hillary Clinton being elected President. Perhaps the judgment God is going to bring on this godless and perverse nation is far worse than if Trump were elected. evilgrin


Trump is, to my suprise, not only exposing the political establishment but he's exposing the media..... folks who don't vote for him at this point are bordering on treason

Re: Never Trump? [Re: Anthony C.] #52305
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As Pilgrim so wisely said in an earlier post:

"To sum up... vote according to your conscience knowing that the Sovereign LORD has ordained all things for His glory and the good of the Church, even if means the Church is subject to overt persecution."

I'm listening to my conscience on this one. I hardly think that constitutes treason.


Trust the past to God's mercy, the present to God's love and the future to God's providence." - St. Augustine
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Re: Never Trump? [Re: gotribe] #52306
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Originally Posted By: gotribe
As Pilgrim so wisely said in an earlier post:

"To sum up... vote according to your conscience knowing that the Sovereign LORD has ordained all things for His glory and the good of the Church, even if means the Church is subject to overt persecution."

I'm listening to my conscience on this one. I hardly think that constitutes treason.


Well let's break this down a bit.... what are we asking our conscience exactly? You know the alternative? Would Ted cruz still be a lesser evil? Is mitt Romney a lesser evil? How about McCain? The later 2 would sell out America in a heartbeat....as did Obama as will Hillary. How does your conscience speak to that? Do you know anyone in the military?

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Re: Never Trump? [Re: Anthony C.] #52307
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I think many of us act like our salvation hindges on our vote like some kind of spiritual litmus test.... or non vote (Hillary?)

Re: Never Trump? [Re: Anthony C.] #52310
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A sister told me on Memorial Day that she will be voting for a president, not a pastor.


In this was manifested the love of God toward us, because that God sent his only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through him.
Re: Never Trump? [Re: Anthony C.] #52329
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The political establishment has paved the way for ‘Constitution 2020’ and the formation of the ‘North American Union’ (or NAU – which is a ‘theoretical economic and political union of Canada, Mexico, and the United States, loosely based on the European Union, occasionally including a common currency called the Amero or the North American Dollar’). The full institution of universal health care, the loss of privacy, the loss of 1st (speech confiscation) and 2nd (gun confiscation) Amendment rights, the loss of freedom and free exercise of faith and worship are all part the Agenda.

None other than the former General and CIA Chief, David Petraeus, recently declared:

“After America comes North America…Are we on the threshold of the North American decade, question mark? I threw that away — threw away the question mark — and boldly proclaimed the coming North American decade, says the title now.”

http://barbwire.com/2016/06/20/nevertrump-doa/#comment-2741294131

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