My first question is: what point are you trying to make?

Because you alluded to it in an earlier post, it sounds to me like you are trying to prove that John Calvin was not born again. Unless you believe that we don't receive the Holy Spirit until AFTER we are born again. I am confused about where this is going. John MacArthur said "Calvin consented." I suppose that is the thing up for dispute?

Either way, I am not sure what this has to do with covenantal succession. And I suppose it's up to you on which history you believe concerning John Calvin.

and as far as Pilgrim goes.. I don't think he's afraid of anything that either of the two men you suggested would say.

Michele