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I wonder if I might play a little devil advocate, in order to flesh out some of what you said. (Others are certainly welcome to add their comments as well)
You said: "I can think of how the seeker-sentive movement would contradict Total Depravity. The seeker-sensitive movement waters down sin. Thus, the whole Gospel is not preached, and man is not going to abhor his sin. The movement also says that the unregenerate can seek after God and desire God. This is in opposition to the words of Scripture, for none seek after God, unless the Lord places within them a heart of flesh to replace their heart of stone! And the seeker-sensitive churches end up, in Spurgeon's words, for the most part "amusing goats" rather than "feeding sheep."
(Please note that the following arguments are similar to those I have heard) As you may or may not be aware, according to Bill Hybel's the seeker model can be adapted to fit into the theology of almost any denomination. That being the case, if a conscious effort is made to make certain sin is not being "watered down" and the whole Gospel is preached, then that need not be a problem. What is important is to keep the offence of the Gospel intact. If it is the Gospel that offends then so be it, but if it is us that does the offending, then shame on us.
Also, while it is true that no one seeks after God without first being regenerated by God. That does not mean however, that we can't use a vehicle to get people through the doors of the Church. Surely you also know that there are many people who enter on any given Sunday today, who are just curious as to what is going on in side. I believe the Seeker Model (I don’t care if what you want to call it) gives us a leg up in this matter over Churches that don’t have this. (Please note, this may seem like an easy one to you and I after we have seen this truth, however like any truth, sometimes it is because we are looking in retrospect. For example, I struggled understanding the doctrines of grace, and it was only after a lot of serious study and emotional pain that the light finally came on. Now with enough of the puzzle complete to see the big picture, all that emotional pain seems kind of silly.)
I thought I would add something that I once heard Bill Hybel’s say. Critiques of the seeker movement and Willow Creek in particular, say that the average attendee in Willow Creek is illiterate when it comes to theological truth. However, I would put the Bible knowledge of the average attendee at Willow Creek against any Church in America today. If there is one thing we do well at Willow Creek, it is that we pride ourselves on making sure as best as possible, that every attendee is connected and schooled in the Bible.
By the way, I have not set a time table on the article, at this time I am just gathering material that I think may be of use in it.
Tom
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