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speratus said: But the unregenerate sinner does want Christ to pay his debt for him from the infinite treasury of His merit. Instead, he presents to the Judge his own works and merit in payment for the debt. <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/hairout.gif" alt="" /> The fact that unregenerate sinners want nothing to do with God nor have the ability to do so isn't relevant. What IS relevant is that the demands of God were totally satisfied; all the legal requirements, etc., were met in full by the Lord Christ (the incarnate Son of God). Thus any and all debt which the elect were held accountable for was paid. (Col 2:14; cf. Ps 103:12; Is 43:25; ) In short, the debt was paid in full and thus the account was and is closed. The Father has been satisfied. There is thus no obligation on those for whom Christ died to make good on the debt, for it doesn't exist. The atonement of Christ was a FULL atonement, i.e., it not only satisfied all the demands of the law (passive obedience), but it also provides the perfect righteousness needed (active obedience). But that isn't all..... Christ's death also secured the the means by which those whom the Father gave Him to die for would apprehend the benefits of His death. Thus the sending of the Holy Spirit Who would apply the benefits to them, and create the means to that end, e.g., regeneration, the giving of repentance and faith, love for God and Christ, a hunger for the Word, a desire for holiness and perseverance in trials, etc. The Lord Christ's atonement was a full package; it satisfied all that was an offense to God, paid the debt in full, suffered the punishment due, provided a perfect righteousness needed, and guaranteed the means by which all that was accomplished by way of substitution would be apprehended by lost and helpless sinners; those for whom the Father gave Him, the elect. It is ALL of grace. (Jonah 2:9) In that Grace,
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