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Pilgrim said:
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Joe k said:
Pilgrim. Why does EVERYTHING have to end up in a belabored thesis of conjecture? I have in no way presented anything tha is contrary to scriopture. And I do nto have the time to prepare a 90 page thesis on every verse.
In all honesty, can you show me where I asked you to produce a 90 page thesis on every verse? What I DID ask is if you would exegete at least ONE text, preferrably more but one at a time would suffice. <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/rolleyes2.gif" alt="" /> And if this means a 90 page thesis to do so, then 1) you need to learn what "exegesis" means, and 2) you should really strive to improve your articulation of what you believe so that it is, precise, profound and cogent. <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

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Joe k writes:
I have asked you a simple question.

If those in Christ are not under condemnation, and we are given to Christ in eternity, why can I not conclude the we are justified in eternity?
Because one is not "in Christ" until one believes upon Him. Faith is that which unites one to Christ and which reconciles one to God in Christ.

In His Grace,

You enjoy giving directions dontyou? Ask my wife, I am not good at receiving them.

WEll I find believing is missing in the scripture Jeff. All it says is there is no condemnation for those in Christ. And relating that to "Given to Christ from the foundation of the world' I do nto see believing there.

Anyway, I have a meeting to go. Come up with more pious directions for me to follow. <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/sleeping.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/sleeping.gif" alt="" />

There never was a sinner half as big as Christ is as a Savior.