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xyz said: These quotes show that remission is, in effect, operative through faith, and releases the conscience to allow the Holy Spirit to operate to produce good works. Neither of them (nor any other of the quotes) indicates that faith is the trigger for remission as far as God is concerned. As far as He is concerned, justice was a 'done deal' when Jesus cried, "It is finished." As far as human conscience is concerned, there is remission, blotting out of the consciousness of sin, only when there is repentance and faith. That is because to fail to repent and believe is to place (or retain) one's own conscience under law, and inescapably so. So while God's sovereignty cannot be impugned because Jesus accounted for sin against Him, and God's whole legal requirement is satisfied, the obstinate human conscience is not. Okay..... either: 1) you are totally incapable of comprehending biblical theology nor interpreting Scripture according to its own hermeneutical principles, and/or 2) all this is nothing more than an amusing venture on your part.  Regardless of which it is the truth remains that Christ's death was intended specifically for a specific number of individuals. For them, redemption was accomplished in full and it is applied when the Holy Spirit sovereignly and secretly works regeneration in them and infallibly brings them to Christ via repentance and faith. The result (conversion) is the "remission of sins", aka: justification. This is ALL a legal process albeit personal from conversion onward where the person is conscious of what is going on, at least in part. Assurance, the possession of a good conscience toward God varies greatly although it increases throughout the individual's life in sanctification. This is the biblical teaching and that which the historic Protestant Church has embraced and taught which can be evidenced in all the Reformation Confessions and Catechisms. Now, you can do with this truth as you wish. Should you choose to reject it, that is to your own peril and effectively placing yourself outside the camp. "No stone, nor steel, nor diamond is so hard as the impenitent heart of man." -- Luther In His grace,
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