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by Pilgrim - Mon Aug 17, 2026 2:55 PM
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<blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr>[color:"blue"]I would even think, and be able to say with a clear conscience, that maybe possibly SOME infants go to heaven because SOME infants are of the elect.</font><hr></blockquote><p>That is the position of the WCF as well, where it states that "all ELECT infants dying in infancy are saved . . ."<br><br><hr width="85%"><br><br><center>[color:blue]The Westminster Confession of Faith, Chapter X<br>Of Effectual Calling</font color=blue></center><br><br>III. Elect infants, dying in infancy, are regenerated, and saved by Christ, through the Spirit,[12] who worketh when, and where, and how he pleaseth:[13] so also are all other elect persons who are incapable of being outwardly called by the ministry of the Word.[14]<br><br>12. Gen. 17:7; Luke 1:15; 18:15-16; Acts 2:39; John 3:3, 5; I John 5:12<br>13. John 3:8<br>14. John 16:7-8; I John 5:12; Acts 4:12<br><br><hr width="85%"><br><br>In your first post, the options of infant salvation were: 1) They are born regenerate, and 2) They are born saved. The problem with #2 is that to be saved, one has to be united to Christ. To be united to Christ, one has to be joined by faith. To have faith, one has to be regenerated. Thus it is a redundancy rather than another option. Jason articulated the biblical position quite nicely, emphasizing that ALL are born with the inherited corruption (Original Sin) and ALL have Adam's guilt imputed to them as well. Thus, even if someone were to argue that infants are born "Tabula Rasa" (a blank moral slate) and even died in the womb, they would still be liable to judgment due to the guilt they bear.<br><br>In His Grace,
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