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Is what the writer of Hebrews is saying in these verses not in principle the same as what the apostle is saying in 2Peter 2:1 and later in 2Peter 2:20-22? "For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted the heavenly gift, and have become partakers of the Holy Spirit, and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come, if they fall away, to renew them again to repentance, since they crucify again for themselves the Son of God, and put Him to an open shame." IF I am understanding what the "principle" is you are referring to, i.e., the appearance of a genuine believer falling away, then I would agree that the Hebrews passage and the one under discussion in 2Pet 2:1 are the same, or at least very similar. In both, due to the perspicuity of myriad other passages which teach eternal security (aka: Perseverance/Preservation of the Saints), it cannot be true that either/both of these passages are teaching or even implying otherwise. Although it can be edifying to wrestle with such passages in an attempt to grasp what the writer is conveying, to go beyond such passages with unwarranted speculation (no implying anyone here is doing so) is fruitless and actually, such speculation is a form or arrogance and/or pride. Not everyone is going to be given understanding for every single word of Scripture. The Bible is not inclusively perspicuous (Deut 29:29; 2Pet 3:16). And we also know that our doctrine of verbal plenary inspiration disallows any ideas involving contradictions, errors or fallacies in Scripture. The bottom line, for me at least, is that aside from what the Holy Spirit actually had intended for us to understand in these two passages or those similar in kind, the Lord Christ did not shed His blood for those referenced. 
simul iustus et peccator
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2 Peter 2:1; Is Peter Being Sarcastic?
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