pilgrim

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Why don't you exegete Eph 2:1-3, particularly vs. 3 "were by nature children of wrath, even as the rest:--". This the Holy Spirit wrote through the Apostle Paul. Methinks he is infinitely clear and infinitely more trustworthy than your personal opinion based upon some theological bias you possibly embrace. And, coincidentally, the overwhelming view of the Church throughout history is that unconverted sinners are under the wrath of God until they are united by faith in Christ. The propitiation made in their behalf is THEN applied and they are thus reconciled to God through Him.

Lol, why didnt you exegete it, you brought it up didn't you ? Does Eph 2:3 say that the elect were under Gods Wrath ? Lets read it

3 Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.