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Janean, I have been searching and searching for where Spurgeon says that the profoundly retarded do go to heaven. I can't find it though. I wonder if whomever it was who posted a confession of faith.. the spurgeon "version" or "baptist" version will post it again here? I cannot find it. However, it was very interesting to read what things Spurgeon did say about this. Things I have already said, and lo and behold, almost the same words by Spurgeon. Anyway, here is a quote by him in one of the series of sermons he preached when they began the church he preached at. Among the gross falsehoods which have been uttered against the Calvinists proper, is the wicked calumny that we hold the damnation of little infants. A baser lie was never uttered. There may have existed somewhere, in some corner of the earth, a miscreant who would dare to say that there were infants in hell, but I have never met with him, nor have I met with a man who ever saw such a person. We say, with regard to infants, Scripture saith but little, and, therefore, where Scripture is confessedly scant, it is for no man to determine dogmatically. But I think I speak for the entire body, or certainly with exceedingly few exceptions, and those unknown to me, when I say, we hold that all infants are elect of God and are therefore saved, and we look to this as being the means by which Christ shall see of the travail of his soul to a great degree, and we do sometimes hope that thus the multitude of the saved shall be made to exceed the multitude of the lost. Whatever views our friends may hold upon the point, they are not necessarily connected with Calvinistic doctrine. I believe that the Lord Jesus, who said, "Of such is the kingdom of heaven," doth daily and constantly receive into his loving arms those tender ones who are only shown, and then snatched away to heaven. Our hymns are no ill witness to our faith on this point, and one of them runs thus:
"Millions of infant souls compose The family above."
"Toplady, one of the keenest of Calvinists, was of this number. "In my remarks," says he, "on Dr. Nowell, I testified my firm belief that the souls of all departed infants are with God in glory; that in the decree of predestination to life, God hath included all whom he decreed to take away in infancy, and that the decree of reprobation hath nothing to do with them." Nay, he proceeds farther, and asks, with reason, how the anti-Calvinistic system of conditional salvation and election, or good works foreseen, will suit with the salvation of infants? It is plain that Arminians and Pelagians must introduce a new principle of election; and in so far as the salvation of infants is concerned, become Calvinists. Is it not an argument in behalf of Calvinism, that its principle is uniform throughout, and that no change is needed on the ground on which man is saved, whether young or old? John Newton, of London, the friend of Cowper, noted for his Calvinism, holds that the children in heaven exceed its adult inhabitants in all their multitudinous array. Gill, a very champion of Calvinism, held the doctrine, that all dying in infancy are saved. An intelligent modern writer, (Dr. Russell, of Dundee,) also a Calvinist, maintains the same views; and when it is considered that nearly one-half of the human race die in early years, it is easy to see what a vast accession must be daily and hourly making to the blessed population of heaven." So not all hold to infants/fetus' going to hell. Personally, I don't see how God could give us mothers those "claws" to protect our babies if He did not have the same sense of protection for them. Also, to me, comparing an infant to an adult who has never heard the gospel is comparing apples to oranges. God ordained that an infant would die when they did. So comparing them is like saying "what if this, what if that" and that never goes anywhere. There was never any different path that an infant who has died had a chance at. It was decreed that they would die when they did. So an adult who has never heard the gospel has his own accountability before God. To say, "let's go kill all the infants" does not even in any little miniscule way deserve any of my attention. What an absolutely awful thing to say. <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/mad3.gif" alt="" /> Michele
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