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I'm in no way suggesting we compromise Calvinism but I'm saying you just don't start out with the Canons of Dort when the Apostle's Creed makes an adequate confession of faith unless you want to split hairs.

Wes,

I think I got your point on my first read of your post. I just can't go along with what you're saying. I don't think that Dort is splitting hairs. I think it's essential Christian doctrine. Nor do I think that the creeds are adequate, yet they're a great starting point. Why leave the meaning of the atonement open for anyone's interpretation? In the like manner, what does it mean that we believe in one baptism for the forgiveness of sins? I would start and finish with the Reformed confessions, but that's just my opinion. I'm just curious, how long do you think we should we wait until we tell a new convert that he's totally depraved? <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/bananas.gif" alt="" />

Grace and Peace,

Ron


Ron,

It appears that you and I are talking past each other. I didn't say Dort was splitting hairs, those are your words. I was suggesting that the Apostle's Creed was a starting point unless one wanted to split hairs. Which when I read your reply apparently you agree. I realize that the creeds are not a complete study of God, just a starting point that helps define the Christian faith. Furthermore, I've indicated that I'm not suggesting making any compromise to Calvinism so why would you interpret that I'm suggesting leaving the meaning of the atonement open for anyone's interpretation? I cherish the Reformed creeds, confessions, and catechisms. I'm in no way suggesting departing from anything in them. I'm addressing a starting point, not a graduation point. Which when I read Peter's reply in Acts 16:30.31 to the question, "What must I do to be saved?" his reply was, "Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and you will be saved, you and your household." Would you accept a simple confession of faith like this one? His reply was simple, yet profound. Certainly further instruction and training will follow.

Let me ask you a practical question. If you were in Japan sharing your faith with a Buddhist, or in the Middle East talking with a Muslim where would you start explaining the Christian faith?


Wes

When I survey the wondrous cross on which the Prince of Glory died, my richest gain I count but loss and pour contempt on all my pride. - Isaac Watts