Pilgrim is your stay at a "Hyoer camp" causing you to deny eerythign that may hint of that bent? Do not throw the baby out with the bath water Jeff.

My goodness. This issue has been defended by the most learned divinies and to just call it complete error or heretical is wrong.

I am not at all denying the traditional understanding. WHat I do deny is faith being a condition for justification. Again by faith does nto equal because of faith.

There never was a sinner half as big as Christ is as a Savior.