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J_Edwards said:
Boanerges,

Though I agree with your conclusion <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/cheers2.gif" alt="" /> that Pastors are not the only teachers in the church, I would not use Eph 4:11 as a defense. "Pastors and teachers" here share a singular article ("the" pastor and teacher) and thus actually speak of ONE office-the pastor. Most of the English versions of this text do it little justice. The Message does better here....

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filled earth with his gifts. He handed out gifts of apostle, prophet, evangelist, and pastor-teacher

<img src="/forum/images/graemlins/scared.gif" alt="" /> THE MESSAGE! [Linked Image] I can't hear you! <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/rofl.gif" alt="" /> Joe your going to make me learn bible greek aren't you. <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />

Peter

If you believe what you like in the gospels, and reject what you don't like, it is not the gospel you believe, but yourself. Augustine of Hippo