<blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr>[color:"blue"]Regarding the PCA as a whole as liberal is rubbish. I am also extremely sceptical that any of its congregations properly fit that label. One will find diversity in some areas</font><hr></blockquote><p> Well James you failed to understand the purpose of the post. It was not to cut down other denominations, but to see the good, embrace it, and to see how or if the church could be improved by fixing the problems within. Of course, if they cannot be fixed then what follows?<br><br> But I would also say that you have not visited the same PCA churches I have here. While I did say [color:blue]this will vary church to church on an individual basis</font color=blue> (thus, not the whole PCA is liberal [img]http://www.the-highway.com/w3timages/icons/readit.gif" alt="readit" title="readit[/img]) from what I have seen, thus far, I have seen liberalism within the denomination. Apparently, you have a different view (1) of what liberalism is (2) have never studied through the Sonship Training of the World Harvest Missions; my previous example (3) been involved with the PCA here. BTW I will not be PCA after my upcoming move, but for another reason all together.<br><br> In my short time in the PCA I have witnessed countless errors. I am a member of one PCA church and we visit two others every other Sunday night, as we have no services at our own. Far from what I would call [color:red]diversity</font color=red> (your term) I have see "elders" teaching (1) Larry Crabb's material on counseling (2) one is going through the series of Tim LaHay's Left Behind series (3) another "elder", an attorney by trade and knowing my previous background as a Baptist, approached me some weeks ago asking if paedo baptism was Scriptural. He advised when he took his leadership position that he agreed with the WCF in "words only", but in his own heart he was unsure. Why is he an elder? Of course, I can gladly say now that after tons of reading material and Richard Pratt's video on baptism he has come around full circle, but it leaves one wondering none-the-less. There are other examples, but these will suffice. I also know that not all PCA churches are like these I have seen locally.<br><br><blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr>[color:"blue"]I hope we spend as much energy encouraging our brethren in the churches where we are members to grow in grace as we do worrying about other peoples' denominations!</font><hr></blockquote><p> I hope we do too. But if another denomination is doing something right and mine is not, does it not cause a need for re-examination? And whether another denomination is doing it at all, if the Scripture says to be doing something and the denomination is not, is it not time for re-examination? IMHO it is very difficult to [color:red]encourage</font color=red> (your term) someone in a place that embraces impurity in its theology and government. Are you going to encourage them to continually embrace the error within the denomination? Of course, we could just sit back and become complacent and not address the problems we see in the church and allow liberalism to take the full place of truth?<br><br>P.S. I believe if you would have read the rest of what already had been posted you would of had a better idea of the direction and intent of the original post.

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