I had a severe problem with this quote:<br><br><blockquote>[color:red]We deserve rejection, but Jesus took it for us. <span style="background-color:yellow;">[b]he lost the sonship[/b]</span> so we could have it.</font color=red></blockquote> I am ok with us deserving rejection and that Christ took our rejection for us, but when he goes on to say that Christ lost His sonship, I [img]http://www.the-highway.com/w3timages/icons/flee.gif" alt="flee" title="flee[/img]<br><br>In the sermon Keller describes Christ's sonship as: [color:red]I’m about my Father’s business</font color=red>. So I ask, [color:blue]Was Christ ever [color:red]not</font color=red> about His Father's business?</font color=blue> No! Thus how could He have lost His "sonship" (if I dare use that term).<br><br>Of course, the catch-all is when did Christ ever stop being God? If He lost His sonship, that would necessarily follow? [img]http://www.the-highway.com/w3timages/icons/drop.gif" alt="drop" title="drop[/img]<br><br>Notice the last part of the sermon INVITATION. What is the call for? <br><br><blockquote>[color:red]You also need <span style="background-color:yellow;">[b]the experience of sonship[/b]</span>: you need God to speak <span style="background-color:yellow;">[b]it[/b]</span> to your heart. How? By the Holy Spirit speaking <span style="background-color:yellow;">[b]the Word</span>[/b] [now reduced to sonship] to [your] heart. Go to God’s word and ask him for <span style="background-color:yellow;">[b]it[/b]</span>.</font color=red></blockquote> IMHO people need Jesus, not "sonship". If a person is enabled to truly accept Christ would he not necessarily also have "sonship" (if I dare use that term).<br><br><blockquote>[color:blue]John 1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: </blockquote></font color=blue> The Gospel call is to be for "Christ" and not sonship.<br><br>Sonship is also used to describe sanctification. But, is not sanctification more than merely an [color:red]experience</font color=red>? Of course it is. Thus Keller asking his congregation to seek the [color:red]experience of sonship</font color=red> is far from what sanctification "is". It is almost as if "sonship" is replacing the Charismatic's call of, [color:red]Do you have the experience of the Holy Spirit?</font color=red>

Reformed and Always Reforming,