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Kathy, I'm afraid once again I am going to have to reject what this author wrote in the article. In fact, there are quite a number of errors he has made. However, since as Boanerges pointed out, there really was no question asked by you so I am not going to spend time refuting all the errors that are contained there. I will point out that the author is laboring under the erroneous presupposition that God loves everyone universally and identically. There are a number of texts which show this to be categorically false, e.g., Ps 5:5; 7:11, Mal 1:3, Rom 9:11-13, et al. The love of God as revealed in Scripture is both particular and discriminatory. It is particular in nearly every instance in that it is salvific. God's love is expressed in His redeeming of the elect in Christ. (Eph 1:4-13) Secondly, foreknowledge is based upon God's eternal determinate counsel, which the author denies. God "knows" because He has decreed all things. If this were not true, then whatever knowledge God has would have to come for a source outside of Himself, making God dependent upon the creature.  One of the best articles ever written on the subject of "foreknowledge" can be found here: The Foreknowledge of God, by A.W. Pink. Lastly, I simply CANNOT let one other matter slip by and that is the author's incredible twisting of Matt 7:21-23: Matthew 7:21-23 (ASV) "Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father who is in heaven. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy by thy name, and by thy name cast out demons, and by thy name do many mighty works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity."
He is correct in saying that the word "knew" here means "loved". The Bible uses this word in that manner in several places, e.g., Adam knew his wife . . . and she bore a son. Obviously, Eve didn't become pregnant simply because Adam was knowledgeable of some facts about her.  But the blatant twisting of the text is done when he says it means that those to whom Christ was referring to didn't love Him.  A cursory reading of the text clearly shows that it is the Lord Christ who says He didn't know (love) them. Of course, He "knew"; had knowledge about them, for He calls them "workers of iniquity". What the text is saying is that Christ NEVER loved them, i.e., He (Trinity implied) had never set His affections upon them; i.e., there was no intent to save them. So, if you have any actual questions about predestination (Topic of the thread) or foreknowledge, do ask.  In His grace,
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