I agree well and true with both Covenant and Pilgrim here, yet this mans objection is that, if I understand his argument correctly, that how can "forcing" a person to "love/believe" through any means bring glory?? This is the example he told me today...

If a king is ruling over his land, would subjects that love this king because they know him and how great he is would bring forth more glory to the king than the same king paying off his subjects or some other act of taking some one who would not love him, to love him.

I hope again that I got enough of the story accurate and contexts right to make it understandable..

I pointed this man to the scripture in which it talks about the potter making his pottery for both royal purpose and common purpose, and who are we to question that.. I am hoping that sometime this week when I talk to him again he will have made some progress.. anyway, I thank you all for your help in aiding me to answer his questions.