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1 tim 2:
5For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;
prov 8:
30Then I was by him, as one brought up with him: and I was daily his delight, rejoicing always before him;
31Rejoicing in the habitable part of his earth; and my delights were with the sons of men.
gen 1:
26And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
27So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
28And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.
29And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.
30And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so.
31And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.
False religon today has been teaching erronously exactly who man is, and who Jesus christ is the mediator of.
Jesus christ is the Mediator of man as he was in the beginning created in adam, in the likeness and image of God..
adam was the first man to be graced with this high honor. There was a seed in him that was preserved that would continue this high honor as well. This is seen in the birth of seth..gen 4:
25And Adam knew his wife again; and she bare a son, and called his name Seth: For God, said she, hath appointed me another seed instead of Abel, whom Cain slew.
26And to Seth, to him also there was born a son; and he called his name Enos: then began men to call upon the name of the LORD.
This gives us to know two things ! That abel was of the elect godly seed, and not cain..and that now man was identified again, with the birth of seth, the other seed, man was referred to again as being created in Gods image and likeness..gen 5:
1This is the book of the generations of Adam. In the day that God created man, in the likeness of God made he him;
2Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created.
3And Adam lived an hundred and thirty years, and begat a son in his own likeness, and after his image; and called his name Seth:
Do you find it strange that the bible never referred to cain in the image and likeness of God ? Was he not the firstborn of the first couple ?
Yes, but there is a reason for that, and that is, cain was of a entirely different seed, the seed of the devil, or the wicked one...1 jn 3:
12Not as Cain, who was of that wicked one, and slew his brother. And wherefore slew he him? Because his own works were evil, and his brother's righteous.
he was of that wicked one, means he was of his seed..remember God said to satan, that he had a seed..gen 3:
14And the LORD God said unto the serpent[which is satan], Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life:
15And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel
And as God is true to His promises and threats, He put enmity[hate] between the two seeds..that of the women and that of satan..abel was reprentative of the seed of the women and cain represenative of the seed of the serpent..and we do read of the manifestation of the enmity [hate] that God Sovereignly decreed between the two people or seeds..
This Jesus refers back to in matt 23:
31Wherefore ye be witnesses unto yourselves, that ye are the children of them which killed the prophets.
32Fill ye up then the measure of your fathers.
33Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?
34Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and some of them ye shall kill and crucify; and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them from city to city:
35That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar.
Here we see how the saviour [mediator] traces back to abel, the enimity the seed of the serpent has for the seed of the women [the church]
Notice please one of the terms jesus uses here in matt 23, he calls them a generation of vipers..interesting, the word generation in the greek is the word:
gennçma and it means:
that which has been born or begotten
a) the offspring or progeny of men or animals
Notice the word offspring, because the word seed means the same:
The word seed in gen 3 15 is the word:
zera`which means:
seed, sowing, offspring
This is not a mere coincidence, but the actual reality of what God said in the beginning, that satan would have a seed or offspring, or generation..
A seed and generation are equated together here in this verse as it relates to Jesus christ ps 22:
30A seed shall serve him; it shall be accounted to the Lord for a generation.
So, clearly, satan has a seed, and that seed made its way on this side of the flood, for Jesus himself makes the connection, for he in matt 23, was speaking to some who belonged to that seed..
Now, I laid this foundation so it could be easier to see and understand, that, Jesus christ is the mediator of men as those men are of the seed of the women, and not the seed of the devil..
You see, adam was the Federal Head for the election of grace, the seed of the women, as they [the elect] in adam were created in the image and likeness of God..
But the seed of the serpent, these men have not adam as their federal head, but only as their natural head..
You see, because satan , who is a spiritual being, could not reproduce and cohabitate with a women physically to produce his seed throughout humanity, God decreed that his seed, would come under the natural seed of adam and eve.. so eve would now have an additional conception, one for the natural conception of the elect, and one for the natural conception of the non elect the devils seed..gen 3:
16Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.
This conception [of satans seed] was added because of transgression..but from the beginning, the godly seed was purposed through marriage of adam and eve..mal 2:
15And did not he make one? Yet had he the residue of the spirit. And wherefore one? That he might seek a godly seed. Therefore take heed to your spirit, and let none deal treacherously against the wife of his youth.
So, now two type of men or peoples would be concieved by natural copulation, this is manifested with rebekah gen 25:
And the LORD said unto her, Two nations are in thy womb, and two manner of people shall be separated from thy bowels; and the one people shall be stronger than the other people; and the elder shall serve the younger.
amen, this very concept was first illustrated with eve, with cain and abel, though they were not twins, they did both proceed from her bowels..and one cain was of one manner of people, and abel was of another manner of people , the godly seed..
But now here is the tricky part, because even the seed of the devil is called man by nature as we see in gen 4:
And Adam knew Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bare Cain, and said, I have gotten a man from the LORD.
But notice what she didnt say about the birth of cain, and what she did say at the birth of seth gen 4:
25And Adam knew his wife again; and she bare a son, and called his name Seth: For God, said she, hath appointed me another seed instead of Abel, whom Cain slew.
see that ? That is extremely important..this tells us that she never considered the man child cain as her seed as she did abel and seth..
Thats because eve knew that the man child belonged to the seed of the serpent..
So man in his natural birth, except those who are elect, are children of the devil..
These men however are not the men which Jesus christ is the mediator of, because these men were not part of the creation of man in the beginning within adam..
No, Jesus christ is the mediator of the men who are of the seed of the women..the godly seed, who fell in adam and not the serpent seed who was added naturally because of transgression..
So, in a real sense, I am a universalist in the sense, all true mankind, adam, will be saved from their fall rom 5:
12Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:
15But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many.
16And not as it was by one that sinned, so is the gift: for the judgment was by one to condemnation, but the free gift is of many offences unto justification.
17For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.)
18Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.
19For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.
You see, the fact of the matter is this, these verses in rom 5 is describing the fall and rise of the elect in adam, and not the seed of the devil..
Todays false religons want to apply these verses to all of mankind, but they dont apply to all of mankind, being that some of mankind belong by right to the devil..jn 6:
70Jesus answered them, Have not I chosen you twelve, and one of you is a devil?
Jn 8:
44Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
matt 13:
38The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one;
39The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels.
God has always had a distinct world of mankind that satan has always infiltrated by his seed..i.e gen 6:
4There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.
But no matter what, God knows them that are His..even after all this time of world history and people groups..
So, yes, Jesus christ is the mediator of all men, but not all devils, who are men as well..gen 4:
1And Adam knew Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bare Cain[of the wicked one], and said, I have gotten a man from the LORD.
I know this isnt popular what i am saying, and i dont care, Gods will be done, but the non elect are not real men as men were created in adam, but they are devils..for they were created in satan, and he is their federal head, this is a spiritual headship..and Jesus christ never loved them, nor died for them..for they are devils..and not men, in the true sense of the word..
Jesus christ didnt die for devils, but for the elect, the seed of the women..
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