Hi Kyle and Pilgrim,

Thank you. I will try to stay on topic.

I read your posts. It sounds like you do agree that there is no formal protestant in regard to Transubstantiation (as articulated for example by Irenaeus and many others) between 100 and 1000 A.D.

Also, you may agree that there is nobody in this 900 year era who is essential identical to the reformers' doctrines in regard to the group of 1)Apostolic Succession, 2)Communion, and 3)Penance.

Otherwise, we're sadly at an impasse in regard to the interpretation of Jn 6, which is--with related texts--the primary topic of this thread as I see it.

Unfortunately, we are also at an impasse as to the role of Church history in understanding the Scriptures, apart from which Scriptures there is no Christian faith. (I know we agree on that last part). Yet this is a great difference.

Due to this impasse, I will stop posting on this thread.

In God,
Dan Schultz

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