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I started readin the article by Webster ... the first one recommended ... it reads To argue, as the Roman Catholic Church does, that 2 Timothy 3:15-17 says that Scripture is profitable but not sufficient as a rule of faith is to twist its meaning in order to defend a man-made tradition. This is not a new phenomenon. The Pharisees, according to Jesus, misinterpreted Scripture in order to adhere to their tradition and he condemned them for it (Matt. 15:1-9). But in both cases the Bible’s clear statement remains—Scripture is sufficient ‘for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness; that the man of God may be adequate, equipped for every good work’. Why is Webster changing the word used there from "useful" to "sufficient"? And why does Webster ignore the context which shows how we need both the Scriptures and the Church's authority?(Cf. 2 Tim 1:6,13, 2:2, 3:10, 14-17) ... Cf. Luke 10:16, Mt 28:18-20. But in any case, I do agree that the Scriptures are materially sufficient to understand everything about God ... and that there must be somebody qualified to interpret them and share them with others through the Spirit...because faith comes from what is heard Roman 10:17 ... which is why Paul says that "teaching, correction, rebuke, and training in righteousness" render a man "complete".etc He is also suggesting the Truth that the Scriptures are both profitable and absolutely indispensable to the Body of Christ ... because this Book is God-breathed (as Paul here says) ... which is why we call It by the name of the Son of God ... What do you think? I hope I'm not coming off rudely ... I am by nature over-excitable and prone to such things ... In Christ, Pat Webster doesn't change the meaning of the word ophelimos from "profitable" to "sufficient", but rather he is interpreting the passage to mean that the Scriptures are 'sufficient'. There is a world of difference between changing a word's obvious and accepted definition and understanding what a passage means in which the word appears.  Now, the text in question certainly does teach the "sufficiency" of the WRITTEN Word of God, for 1) the word translated as "Scripture" in our English Bibles is graphe "writings"; that which was set down in writing. 2) those writings which came through holy men of God (2 Peter 1:21) were the result of God the Spirit "moving" them along to put in writing what God desired to reveal. Paul uses the word, theopneustos; God breathed. Please take special note of the fact that this is to be understood correctly as a passive verbal adjective and not active (cf. Matt 1:22; 2Pet 1:21; et al). Put in layman's language, "God is the speaker and men are but the instruments or mediums through Whom God speaks." The Scriptures are therefore ultimately authoritative and thus sufficient in and of themselves. There is no need of one to "interpret" them in order to make them authoritative or sufficient or even profitable. The Scriptures are self-sufficient, self-interpretative, self-explanatory for they originate with God. Notice carefully also that it is the WRITINGS, and them only, which came first orally but were put into written words that are God-inspired. No oral tradition! No interpretation! No second-hand teaching! is inspired and thus all else compared to the Scriptures is errant, fallible and thus has no inherent authority or ability to convert the soul or sanctify it (Jh 17:17). This text teaches the "verbal inspiration" of the WRITTEN Word of God; the Bible, the Scriptures. Thanks for participating and I am sure Kyle will be along to add his most welcomed thoughts.
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