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Sorry ... I mean 1 Thes 1:8, 2:13 ... the oral Word is certainly equal to the Written or it wouldn't be called the Word ... as it is here... and as to where this oral tradition is ... it is in the historical Kingdom, which is the Church ... cf. Is 9:7 ... 1 Thessalonians 1:8 (ASV) "For from you hath sounded forth the word of the Lord, not only in Macedonia and Achaia, but in every place your faith to God-ward is gone forth; so that we need not to speak anything." "Oral Tradition"?  The text says that the Thessalonicans faithfully preached the Gospel, which Gospel is written in Scripture. What "sounded forth" is said to have been "the word of the Lord" which again is the Gospel and that which pertains to it. They spoke nothing that they weren't taught and which was written by inspiration. And again, if you want to continue to maintain that such texts "prove" oral tradition, there is absolutely no way you can verify what it was exactly that these Thessalonicans spoke which is different than Scripture. Secondly, Paul nowhere affirms that what they did speak was inspired but only that it was true and faithful to what he himself taught and which by the Spirit he wrote in his Epistles. (2Pet 3:16) 1 Thessalonians 2:13 (ASV) "And for this cause we also thank God without ceasing, that, when ye received from us the word of the message, [even the word] of God, ye accepted [it] not [as] the word of men, but, as it is in truth, the word of God, which also worketh in you that believe." Here, it is Paul referring to his own preaching/teaching along with those who accompanied him which the Thessalonicans received as being from God. That which they were taught and which God deemed essential for all to know was written down through the ministration of the divine Spirit, aka: inspiration. There is no hint of an ongoing "Oral Tradition". Isaiah 9:7 (ASV) "Of the increase of his government and of peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to establish it, and to uphold it with justice and with righteousness from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of Jehovah of hosts will perform this." And here we are given a prophetic word concerning the Messiah who will come to establish His kingdom with all righteousness, which He did. It is known as the "invisible Church", i.e., the true Church which consists of all of God's elect. There isn't even a hint of "Oral Tradition" here either. What you have consistently shown is your lack of understanding in biblical hermeneutics. You are simply trying to defend the error(s) of Rome which are indefensible. What we here have been witnessing is a classic example of "eisogesis" and a perfect example of what Peter wrote about in 1:20,21, which I had the privilege of preaching on just recently. What we have in Scripture did not come about by men who first dreamed up a thought and then found a way to prove it from Scripture. No, rather what the true prophets and teachers of God wrote/spoke came directly from God through the work of the Spirit. All that which they wrote is said to be divinely inspired; the inerrant and infallible written Word of God. There is no one aside from those authors who penned the Scriptures that can said to be "inspired". Neither anyone in the Roman State church nor anyone elsewhere has been divinely inspired to either speak or write inerrantly or infallibly from God. There is certainly something called "Oral Tradition" and it is fraught with the erroneous fabrications of corrupt and sinful men. Why would anyone want to embrace such a thing unless of course, they are listening to their "father" who is the father of lies. (Jh 8:44) Isaiah 8:20 (KJV) "To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, [it is] because [there is] no light in them."
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