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Skarlet Forgive me if I have missed something in this discussion, I do not want to interrupt this conversation. However, unless I have missed something you believe that God looks down the corridors of time and sees who will believe and elects those who will believe. Is that correct? In relation to that you said: Free-will = self-determined, in this case. Man cannot possibly choose contrary to what God foresaw, because man's choice at that time is certain. Yet who made it certain? The man himself is the determinant. He made the choice certain. Therefore, though it is certain, it is free-will because the determinant was the man himself. Even with your quote in mind, unless I am missing something, how can this be monergystic; seeing it is man’s faith that is the determining factor for their salvation? To be sure, man must exercise faith in Christ alone to be justified. However, faith itself is a gift (Eph.2:8-10) and those whom God gives to Christ will be given faith in Christ alone (John 6:37). God leads to faith all whom He plans to redeem. The redemption of the elect is certain. Christ promises acceptance to anyone who truly believes. (Other appropriate verses to consider are Acts 13:48 & Phil.1:29.) One of the important aspects of this issue is the use of the word “foresaw”, or “foreknow” as used in Romans 8:29 is determining what is meant by this word in context. I do not have time to go in detail, or for that matter defend what I am about to say. However, in context the word does not have the connotation of looking through the “corridors of time”, rather the connotation is “foreloved”. Meaning God had intimately personal relationship; not merely awareness of facts and circumstances. We see no indication of a prevenient grace in Scripture that indicates that a person can reject faith once it is given to them. Rather we do as I indicated above see an irresistible faith given to all God’s elect. “All that the Father gives to Me will come to Me,…” (Jn.6:37 NKJV) Tom
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