Originally Posted by Skarlet
First of all, one more point to address to your claim that Arminians are non-believers who are going to hell:

If they are all, in fact, unregenerate, then how is it that they are spiritually alive enough to have faith in Christ as Lord(boss) and as Savior, admitting freely that they are sinners who justly deserve damnation, but believing in the blood of Christ as the atonement for their ins - believing that when they stand before God, they will be counted righteous, because they are clothed in the righteous of Christ.

If they were unregenerate, wouldn't it be impossible for them to have that faith and submission to God???
1. I have never stated that "all" Arminians are going to Hell.

4. Lastly, I/we hold that there are some who profess Arminian doctrines inconsistently with what they truly believe in their heart, i.e., there is a disconnect between the head and the heart. However, when the Spirit sends one to expose this inconsistency and explain to them the truth of the Scriptures, they will repent of what they once confessed and embrace the one true biblical God and HIS way of salvation. (cf. Ps 135:10-18; Isa 30:8-13; Jer 6:16,17; Hos. 4:6ff; Matt 10:13-15; 11:25-27; Mk 4:10-12, 6:11; Jh 12:37-40; 1Thess 4:1,8; et al) ... from HERE.

2. It is impossible that they are "spiritually alive enough to have faith", for they are not regenerate. Faith is a fruit, result of regeneration. Arminianism teaches that regeneration follows faith. Believing that you are saved isn't synonymous with actually being saved. A cursory reading of the NT shows clearly that there were many who professed to believe in Christ who were in fact without true faith (cf. Prov 26:23; Isa 48:1; Ezek: 33:31,32; Jh 2:23-25; 8:30ff; 12:42,43; Matt 7:21-23; 13:18-23; 23:27,28).

Originally Posted by Skarlet
No, "mercy" implies "reducing or taking away the JUST punishment due." Since there is no just punishment for believing in God with all your heart and mind to the best of your ability, "mercy" is not an appropriate term.
Their punishment was just because they denied the one true God and sought to substitute Him for one of their own design and imagination.

Originally Posted by Skarlet
Originally Posted by Pilgrim
making "faith", a free-will choice which they wrote was the more than the proximate cause of justification; i.e., it was the ultimate cause of justification, thus reversing what Scripture and all the Protestant Churches affirmed. This grievous error has been maintained by all Arminians since that time...
Your claim:

1 - Arminians believe that faith is the ultimate CAUSE of justification.
2 - All Arminians maintain this

Yet, I see not one quote of Arminius that says this. I have read the Remonstrance 5 points, and it does not say this. I know many Arminians, and I have not heard one say that. I know Arminians who would deny that faith is the cause, and confirm instead that the will of God is the cause.
1. Arminius himself was orthodox on this point, i.e., faith is a proximate cause of justification.
2. Jakob Hermanszoon (Jacobus Arminius) died on October 19, 1609. The 14 Remonstrants submitted their doctrines to be considered on November 13, 1618. It was those doctrines which are historically known as "Arminianism". Those men who represented the Arminian system of doctrine and those following them taught that the one thing which differed between those who were saved and those who were not saved was their "faith", i.e., their personal free-will decision. They maintained and Arminians still maintain that ALL have God's grace made available to them; God's eternal love, Christ's atoning death, the influence of the Holy Spirit. It is to those who take advantage and use that "grace" that salvation is granted. Thus, "faith" as defined by Arminianism and semi-Pelagianism is the ultimate cause of one's salvation.
3. This point has been recognized, addressed, and refuted for over 400 years. And it is just one of the major reasons that the 102 Representatives of Dordtrecht, from 9 different countries, judged that Arminianism is damnable heresy.

Originally Posted by Skarlet
IMPORTANT: IF YOU DO NOT KNOW THE DIFFERENT BETWEEN "condition" AND "cause," PLEASE CONSULT A DICTIONARY BEFORE REPLYING.
1. You either missed the point, or refuse to acknowledge that Arminianism makes faith a work and the ultimate cause of salvation. Denying that you hold this to be true does not in any way negate the FACT that Arminianism teaches this.

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