The Highway Forums General Discussion Theology Discussion Forum The use of "all"

Hello criley,<br><br><blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr>[color:"blue"]Well, according to your logic I guess I am a Campbellite, too...</font><hr></blockquote><p> <br>Actually, there’s no problem with my logic. Your own statements throughout all the posts have shown you to hold to the 4 points of arminian/semi-pelagian system, minus eternal security. I’m quite aware that you don’t like the labels. However, the matter of the fact is that you holding to that system of doctrines, whether you want to admit it or not. Pilgrim has given you some excellent comments regarding your denial of labels; thus I don’t need to go any further.<br>The Great Comission<br><br><blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr>[color:"blue"]You cite passages, when the only things that you know about them are what Calvinist teachers have told you. Romans 9.... who is Paul speaking of in the chapter? He is speaking of his KINSMEN ACCORDING to the FLESH.</font><hr></blockquote><p><br>Actually I’m quite knowledgeable of what is going on in that chapter. I studied it for months, and it was NOT just from the calvinisitic perspective. I’ve read several of the <span style="background-color:yellow;">evasion techniques</span> that are employed here by arminians[img]http://www.the-highway.com/w3timages/icons/laugh.gif" alt="laugh" title="laugh[/img]. Joe has already given you a very good summary of the chapter as whole. I’ll just add in a few things and repeat some of what he said since you did not listen to it. Paul, while proving that God's word does not fail, brings up the doctrine of unconditional Election of TRUE Israel, whom are the ELECT from both JEWS and GENTILES. Rom 9:23 states, "What if he did this to make the riches of his glory known to <span style="background-color:yellow;">the objects of his mercy</span>[i.e. the Elect], whom he prepared in advance for glory-- 24even <span style="background-color:yellow;">US</span>[i.e.THE ELECT], whom he also called, not only from the Jews but also from the Gentiles[/b]</span>?" Your quotation of Romans 9:6 only serves to help our case not yours. Paul’s point there is that even if many Jews do not believe, God’s word has NOT failed (9:6). God’s word has not failed because God selects “the children of the promise” and He does this in “order that God's purpose in <span style="background-color:yellow;">election</span> might stand: 12not by works but <span style="background-color:yellow;">by him who calls</span>” (Romans 9:11-12). Thus, It is you who fails to see what is going on in this chapter. <br><br><blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr>[color:"blue"]Same thing applies in John 6. Did your father eat manna in the wilderness? Those addressed in John 6... their fathers ate manna in the wilderness. One who fails to rightly divide the word of truth can't begin to understand those passages.</font><hr></blockquote><p><br>I agree that the word must be rightly divided. I’m affraid you must doing some other kind of math[img]http://www.the-highway.com/w3timages/icons/rofl.gif" alt="rofl" title="rofl[/img]. You totally missed the boat my friend on John. <span style="background-color:yellow;">READ</span> JOHN 6:35-45. Christ makes the point that even though He has done miracles,etc. among the unbelieving jews, they remain hardened. John 6:35 “But I said to you that you have seen me and yet do not believe.” See also John 10:26. In Verse 37, Christ goes on to show that those who have been chosen do come/believe in Him, as he states that “All that the Father gives me <span style="background-color:yellow;">WILL</span> come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never cast out”. In the rest of the verses, Christ continues on demonstrating what is commonly called CALVINISM. Hence, I’m not ignoring context, rather I’m explaining it to you. You did not even employ the hermeneutic that you wanted to use in the timothy passages. <br><br><blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr>[color:"blue"]Your question regarding "all" is non-sensical, to me. </font><hr></blockquote><p><br>Actually my question makes good sense, because I was going to use it to show you how foolish your position is when I apply your OWN hermeneutic to the rest of the biblical texts. Pilgrim already beat me to it.<br> grammatical and linguistic suicide<br><br>I agree with Luke 13:3, thus I don’t see what you are trying to prove. <br> <br><br>In Christ,<br>Carlos <br>