<blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr>[color:"blue"]Did Christ look at you when you were in your lost deplorable condition--dirty filthy rags (look this up you may find it very descriptive)? Then so should His Church! Of course, I am not saying to flaunt your sin, that is sin in and of itself, but if you do not have a Church mature enough to assist people in their struggles, then one must ask if this is truly a Church that you should be attending. </font><hr></blockquote><p><br><br>Joe,<br><br>Yes, so should his church. Even if there are godly and discrete elders to assist, the church is bigger than just the officers. All it takes is one. Don't get me wrong, I do believe that face to face counseling would be superior, but we must respect what would have to be overcome to trust in this way. Many if not most churches are not mature enough to handle many issues. The things I have learned that I should have never been privileged to astonish me. <br><br>In His Kindness,<br><br>Ron<br>