Kyle,

I think that you have described the issue correctly, i.e., Ron holds that covenant children are to [presumed elect but not regenerate and that is why he holds that covenant children need to be led to conversion. As I have tried to argue, this isn't taught in Scripture for various reasons and it is contradictory as well. For to presume that one is "elect" is of necessity to presume that they are members of the invisible church and will infallibly be saved at some point in time. Perhaps THAT is what Joe was trying to bring out? [Linked Image]

It is unfortunate that these types of discussions bring out the "heat" of passion and end up like this. [Linked Image]
In His Grace,


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simul iustus et peccator

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