JoshT,<br><br>You resist the truth. You create your own doctrine by selecting a few verses out of context to support your logic. When you read verses that others recommend you deny they say anything relevant. Maybe you can't see it and maybe you just reject it. It's becoming quite clear that you are not here to learn but to be contentious. You reject the clear teaching of Scripture! Men who resist God's will are in darkness and they avoid the light because they love the darkness. They are not able to hear His voice because they are not from His flock. It is not because they resist that they are lost. It is because they do not belong to Him that they reject Him.<br><br>You have tried to prove otherwise but have been unsuccessful. Everyone on this Discussion Board who has responded to you in love has tried to show you that God is not subject to man but instead has revealed Himself as the One who predestines, calls, justifies, and glorifies His own. His own will not reject Him because they hear His voice, and they know Him as their Shepherd. Those who resist Him never knew Him.<br><br>In John 10:27-29 Jesus' tells us, "My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand." <br><br>You keep insisting that you can simply break that grip and fall away. Well, you've not disproved Jesus' words. Those who fall away are not His sheep. Otherwise He's a liar. He's not a liar, however, there is one who is known to be the father of all lies. He's the one who challenges what God says.<br><br>John 6:64, 65 tells us, "But there are some of you that believe not. For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were that believed not, and who should betray him. And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father.<br><br><br>Wes<br><br><br><br><br>

When I survey the wondrous cross on which the Prince of Glory died, my richest gain I count but loss and pour contempt on all my pride. - Isaac Watts