Originally Posted by patricius79
I agree... and would add that this Written Word is inseparable from the oral Word (i.e. "Tradition") ... referred to in 2 Tim 1:13;2:2, 2 Jn 12, Lk 1:1-4, 2 Thes 2:15, Is 59:21, Luke 10:16, Mt 28:20, 1 Thes 1:8, 13; 1 Cor 15:2 ...
Those passages speak nothing of "oral tradition". Secondly, we have not been told what it was exactly which Paul or John taught their respective hearers. However, what we DO know is what Paul and John and the other inspired authors wrote by the inspiration of the Spirit. They alone are self-attesting to their origin, i.e., God. There is no possible way of determining what someone said nor if what they said was "inspired", i.e., infallible and inerrant. God is the author of the Scriptures and has in His infinite wisdom determined to preserve them and nothing else. Your argument holds no water as it has no bottom. The same argument is used by every sect and cult in regard to their epistemological sources.

Originally Posted by patricius79
... in the context of 2 Tim 3:15-17, we should remember that Paul was referring to the O.T., and that nobody understood the Gospel from the O.T. alone, but only through the Magisterium (i.e. through the presence of word Jesus and His Apostles, etc) ...
Really? scratchchin Now that's revelatory, but clearly in direct contradiction to what the Scriptures teach concerning the saints that lived prior to the coming of Christ. They may not have known the details of what the types and shadows pointed to but they were well aware of what was required in the Gospel and what it was to live a life of righteousness. (cf. Jh 8:56; Gal 3:7-9; Heb 11:13,39; 1Pet 1:10-12; 3:19-20) They all were justified by faith in Christ and lived by faith unto holiness. (Hab 2:4; cp. Rom 1:17; Gal 3:11; Heb 10:38)

Lastly, your use of the word "Magisterium" to refer to the Lord Christ and His apostles is offensive, never mind unwarranted, as if the Roman State Church's "Magisterium" is to be equated with them. scold


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