Hi Ron and thanks for the very nice post.

I'm just curious where you draw the line as to where we are free and where we are not.

What is your idea on Romans 8:5-8 and 1 Corinthians 2:14-15 as it relates to Adam?

Before God ever created Adam did He not already have it planned out that because He made Adam flesh that the disposition of the flesh would be at enmity to Him (God) yet God created Adam flesh anyway? (see Romans 8:5-8).

And God, before He ever created Adam already knew that if He created him flesh that Adam would not be subject to the law of God, "for neither is it able"? Did not God lay down the law in the garden "Thou shalt not eat..."? knowing full well in advance that Adam was powerless to not obey that law? Yet He made a law that He knew Adam would break so that death would enter into the whole human race per (Rom.5:12) so that mankind would need a Saviour?

Clearly, it seems to me that, the cards were definately stacked against Adam.

God even created Adam soulish ([i]"psuchikon,"[/i] being the adjectival form of the noun [i]"psuche"[/i]) per 1 Corinthians 15:45,46 knowing full well in advance that "[color:red]the soulish man is not receiving that which is of the spirit of God for they are stupidity to him, and he is not able to know them...
" I really doubt that Adam could understand fully spiritual matters for he was made soulish.

Now if God did this just to do it with no remedy in sight, then we might say that that was just not right. We would have to ask ourselves "How can God be justified in doing this to the whole human race?" But since Christ was crucified from the foundation of the world, we know that before Adam was made fleshly and soulish that God already had a plan in place to undo what Adam did.

Since we are just sharing with each other, I do trust that you know that this is just a friendly dialog and I'm not trying to make anyone look bad and hope you feel the same toward me in making me look bad (I'm not saying you are by the way :)) that we are building one another up in the body of Christ and are not just trying to see who can debate better.

It surely is a blessing to be able to share these things with fellow believers in Christ!

Zoe P.S. I made the font larger because the small type is hard for me to read. Hope no one minds.