averagefellar,

You are right that in places I my illustrations appeared to be addressing, say your reading habits, etc. and I was only making an illustration, albeit a poor one. I may get back to you when I have more time. Please check my response to, was it william? I am beginning to understand that the belief for salvation FOLLOWS regeneration of the spirit. I suggested how the point of salvation might be viewed. You are welcome to get in on that response if you desire.

Thanks again for your time in discussing these truly crucial points of theology.

Thomas