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grace2U said:
What I see is PBs imposing Abraham and Moses upon Christ, instead of seeing them in the light of Christ. To start with Adam is better than starting with Abraham but if you bare going to start at the beginning, you must start with Christ (John 1:1, 5:39 ).
"PB's" don't impose anything upon Christ! <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/rofl.gif" alt="" /> All of the above mentioned biblical men were "types" of Christ. So can one impose them upon Christ? Secondly, John 1:1 does NOT refer to Jesus "Christ", but in truth to the Son of God, the second person of the Trinity. The Son of God was eternally the Saviour of the World since it was so established in the "Covenant of Redemption/Peace" among the members of the Godhead. It is not until John 1:14 that the actual physical Redeemer Christ is introduced. And He was part of the lineage of those whom you say we impose upon Him. <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/nope.gif" alt="" /> Yes, I realize that it sounds more appealing to say that you begin with Christ and I begin with a moral man. But in fact, as I pointed out before, I do begin with Christ, but in the manner which Scripture itself prescribes. Methinks you should do a bit more study in the area of Biblical Theology. Geerhardus Vos would be probably the best to begin with.

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You then write:The Gen 3:15 covenant is a Covenant of Promise (Eph 2:12 ). God promises a Seed, which is Christ. The Noahic Covenant, the Abrahamic, the Mosaic and the Davidic are all Covenants of Promise. That is, they are announcements to man of the Covenant of Redemption which will come to pass in the New Covenant.

The New Covenant is therefore the outworking in time of the Covenant of Redemption which was made in eternity.
Again, the "Covenant of Redemption" is that eternal covenant established between the members of the Godhead, which was then applied beginning with Adam in Gen 3:15, albeit in seed form, which then was progressively unfolded throughout biblical history in the various "covenants of promise" as you would like to term them. ALL who believed in those promises of the coming Redeemer Christ were saved no differently and just as surely as those who believe upon Him looking back on the promise fulfilled in the Lord Christ and His atoning work. It's all the "Covenant of Grace"..... not some fractured (aka: dispensational) composite parts. <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

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Lastly, you remarked:
I think, however, that we may differ as to who the Seed is.
This may be true, however until it is evident what it is you and I hold in regard to the "seed", it is nothing less than conjecture as to whether we agree or not.

In His Grace,

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