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grace2u's response to Pilgrim Unfortunately your hyper-covenantalism has led you into a number of non-biblical hypothetical constructs

As one of the few Reformed Baptists upon this board I must object to your use of the term "hyper-covenantalism" in reference to either Pilgrim's or Joe's statements. While I am firmly convinced that they are in error referring to Fred Malone's view of the covenants as dispensational that doesn't mean that they are proposing a hyper-covenantal view. Typically hypercovenantalism has these views:
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Denying the analogy of faith, which leads to a disregard of systematic
theology

Affirming that one must have the mindset of a rabbinic Jew to understand
Scripture

Affirming that law and gospel are identical

Denying the covenant of works and the federal headship of Adam,
including: Denying the Biblical teaching on the federal headship of Jesus
Christ Denying the imputation of Christ's active obedience and
righteousness to believers

Affirming that we are justified by an obedient faith, which is the same
as saying faithful obedience, including: Affirming that works (obedience), with the help of the Holy Spirit (non-meritorious), are necessary for justification Affirming that in the post-Fall era, God accepts a partial sin-tainted obedience to the law instead of Christ's perfect righteousness
Affirming that justification is primarily concerned with ecclesiology and not soteriology
Affirming that Paul uses the term justification only to describe how the Gentile Christians are given equal status with the Jewish Christians in the covenant community Affirming that "the works of the law" refers only to the ceremonial laws-for example, circumcision and dietary laws which pertain only to the Jews Affirming that justification is solely the forgiveness of sins
Affirming that justification is a process and thus denying its forensic character Affirming that a justified person can apostatize and go to hell Affirming that James 2:20-26 teaches that works are a necessary condition or instrument of justification

Denying the invisible/visible church distinction, which leads to the
following: Affirming that every member of the visible church is united to Christ,
regenerated, and saved. Affirming that a believer can lose his salvation

Affirming that the covenant of grace is conditional, which includes the
following: Affirming that the elect can lose their salvation Affirming that obedience to the covenant determines salvation and not the predetermined election of God
Affirming that Christ's death has saving benefit to the non-elect

Affirming a form of baptismal regeneration, which includes the
following: Affirming that baptism with water and baptism by the Holy Spirit are
inseparable Affirming that every baptized person is truly united to Christ and has
all the benefits of His work Affirming that Christ's work is not sufficient to guarantee perseverance in the covenant Affirming that the sacraments are efficacious apart from faith

Denying the perseverance of the saints, which includes the following:
Affirming that, by God's grace, one must maintain his elect status through obedience to the covenant Denying definitive sanctification, i.e. that Christ's redemptive work
guarantees its application to the believer Affirming that one's own personal subjective righteousness is necessary for final justification Affirming that assurance is gained simply by looking to one's baptism

None of which either Pilgrim or Joe have espoused in these forums. Rather the contrary is true.

I myself has heard Fred Malone's teachings on covenant theology multiple times (I have his sermon series on CD) and I know his views on dispensationalism
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There is much controversy and ignorance over this doctrine today. Errors in this doctrine (Law and Gospel) have spawned dispensationalism, theonomy, the New Perspective on Paul, hypercovenantalism, legalism, antinomianism, shallow evangelism, shallower sanctification, worship errors and unbiblical mysticism. Law and Gospel
. We as Reformed Baptists do ourselves injury to debate in an unworthy manner, especially with men who for all intents and purposes are in agreement with us save one. So I ask you, as a fellow RB, do not debate in this manner.


Peter

If you believe what you like in the gospels, and reject what you don't like, it is not the gospel you believe, but yourself. Augustine of Hippo