<blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr>[color:"blue"]It is true that the Bible says that Christ gave His life a ranson "for many" (Matt. 20:28), "for the sheep" (John 10:11), and for "the church" (Acts 20:28; Eph. 5:25). It should be noted, in passing, that here is a link between five point Calvinism and so-called "covenant" or anti-dispenstional theology. No one believes that Christ died for saints of this age alone, so in order to view the word "church" in such verses as Ephesians 5:25 as equivalent to "the elect of all ages" one is led to a denial of dispensational teaching. [color:red]But these statements do not deny that He died for others also</font color=red>, and in fact are no more exclusive than are the statements, "Christ died for me," and "This is my country." </font><hr></blockquote><p> Truth + Error = Error. It would be interesting to know the name of the book and author. There are some who "claim" to be 4 point Calvinists, but in reality are 4 point Arminians.<br><br>Christ did die for ONLY the elect: "for many" (Matt. 20:28), "for the sheep" (John 10:11), and for "the church" (Acts 20:28; Eph. 5:25). Historical Christianity does lead to anti-dispensational thinking. An easy-way to picture this is with this edited JO paradigm:<br><br>God imposed his wrath due unto, and Christ underwent the pains of hell for,<br><br><ul>1. either all the sins of all men,<br>2. or all the sins of some men,<br>3. or some sins of all men.[/LIST] If the last (3), [color:red]some sins of all men</font color=red>, then have all men some sins to answer for, and so shall no man be saved; for if God entered into judgment with us, though it were with all mankind for one sin, no flesh should be justified in his sight: “If the LORD should mark iniquities, who should stand?” Ps. cxxx. 2. We might all go to cast all that we have “to the moles and to the bats, to go into the clefts of the rocks, and into the tops of the ragged rocks, for fear of the Lord, and for the glory of his majesty,” Isa. ii. 20, 21.<br><br>If the Second (2), that is it which we affirm, that Christ in their stead and room Suffered for [color:red]all the sins of all the elect in the world</font color=red>.<br><br>If the first (1), why then, are not all freed from the punishment of all their sins?<br><br>You will say, “Because of their unbelief; they will not believe.”<br><br>[color:red]But this unbelief, is it a sin, or not</font color=red>?<br><br>If not, why should they be punished for it? If it be, then Christ underwent the punishment due to it, or not.<br><br>If so, then why must that hinder them more than their other sins for which he died from partaking of the fruit of his death?<br><br>If he did not, then did he not die for all their sins. Let them choose which part they will.

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