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In reply to: [color:"blue"]The Second Coming is found in Chapter 19 of Revelation. This occurs before the millennium.
Ok. If that is the case, then please answer the question I just asked: How Can the Church be "Waiting for this secret pretrib Rapture", which will not happen at "2nd coming" according to that system when PAUL himself says to the church in the Book of 1 Cor. to "eagerly [color:red]WAIT for our Lord Jesus Christ to be REVEALED" (1 cor 1:7) ? [scriptures are clear that this is the 2ND coming!] and also says it in book of titus: “[color:red]waiting for our blessed hope, the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ”. Also, I’ve listed passages in the the Books of 1 Thes. and 2 Thes. that all tie the Resurrection of the believers, “Gathering” Together of believers” & the Lord’s coming together. Joe and I have already given plethora of scriptures of “coming”, “Appearing”, and “revelation” as the 2nd coming. These Passages are explicitly clear and they’ve not been answered.
technically speaking that is NOT a second coming by your system but a 3RD coming!
In reply to: [color:"blue"]Also, in regard to my previous post, wasn't the command to not eat of the fruit of a certain tree, a command for a limited period of.
First, I’ll state what I believe about the covenant of Works. The Westminster Confession of Faith states:
II The first covenant made with man was a covenant of works, wherein life was promised to Adam; and in him to his posterity, upon condition of perfect and personal obedience.
III Man, by his fall, having made himself incapable of life by that covenant, the Lord was pleased to make a second, commonly called the covenant of grace. wherein He freely offereth unto sinners life and salvation by Jesus Christ; requiring of them faith in Him, that they may be saved, and promising to give unto all those that are ordained unto eternal life His Holy Spirit, to make them willing, and able to believe. see Hoseah 6:7, romans 5:12-21, and 1 cor 15:45. This is also stated nicely by one theologian who says “Although the Scripture does not explicitly call the arrangement with Adam a covenant of works it seems that this is certainly what the original arrangement with Mankind was. In Hosea 6:7 we read' "Like Adam they have broke the covenant-they have all been unfaithful to me. There was a covenantal arrangement with Adam There were contracting parties, Adam and his posterity and the Lord. There were stipulations, not to eat of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. There was a penalty for breaking the arrangement. There were rewards for keeping the covenant, you may eat freely from all the trees of the garden, as well in all probability the privilege of eating from the tree of Life. The trees, at least in some respects, were signs and seals of the covenant.” [color:red]As far as the anwer to your question, I let A. A. Hodge state it: 15. In what sense is the Covenant of Works abolished, and in what sense is it in force? This Covenant having been broken by Adam, not one of his natural descendants is ever able to fulfill its conditions, and Christ having fulfilled all of its conditions in behalf of all his own people, salvation is offered now on the condition of faith. In this sense the Covenant of Works having been fulfilled by the second Adam is henceforth abrogated under the gospel. Nevertheless, since it is founded upon the principles of immutable justice, it still binds all men who have not fled to the refuge offered in the righteousness of Christ. It is true that “he that doeth these things shall live that them.” and “the soul that sinneth it shall die.” This law in this sense remains, and in consequence of the unrighteousness of men condemns them, and in consequence of their absolute inability to fulfill it, it acts as a schoolmaster to bring them to Christ. For he having fulfilled alike its condition wherein Adam failed, and its penalty which Adam incurred, he has become the end of this covenant for righteousness to every one who believes, who in him is regarded and treated as one who has fulfilled the covenant, and merited its promised reward.
Brother in Christ, Carlos
"Let all that mind...the peace and comfort of their own souls, wholly apply themselves to the study of Jesus Christ, and him crucified"(Flavel)
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