I forgot to reply to this:<br><blockquote>Some of these passages are referring to Tribulation believers. Some of the passages are referring to the Rapture. Sometimes my commentary says who and what the verse is referring to and sometimes it doesn't </blockquote><br><br>from whence do they get the basis for that? Especially light of the hebrews passage I just quoted. He will appear a "SECOND time". The dispie system has no basis for doing this. The only reason why it is done is because those passages that speak of the parousia, Appearing, & Revelation interchangeably Refutes their system. Thus, the need for a way out.<br><br>Carlos

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