Dear Pilgrim,

Now where are we going with this thread ? I do have a problem with total depravity, I think it might be better explained as partial depravity. Well, that is how I honestly think since reading Genesis and Romans 1. There is just too much in the historical progressive revelation that shows man sinking down into sinfulness, incurring God's hot displeasure and being drowned. Societies are often born out of great light, and then as they forget about their maker, and abolish prayer and the Bible, gradually things start to come apart. I do think this is a mirror of what each induvidual is like, we start with 'the knowledge of good and evil' and though in early childhood we might even have close encounters the slide into the pit is gradual, like the old froggy. Until like in the last part of Romans one all hell breaks loose and societies crumble to dust, as do induviduals. Sin is the sting of death, and this searing process is gradual in the heart of man, some not so, but eventually the hardening of heart, brings the hardening of the Spirit of God, and that person dies like Pharoah and like Herod.

It is half past midnight and look my pretty carriage wheels have turned into pumpkins. Let me away before the night disappears and the dawn steals my needed sleep. I am a one man army of service at the moment and the little sleep I do get is essential.

His peace gaurd you heart,