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Pilgrim said: speratus said: For Calvin, emergency baptism is based on a incorrect understanding of purpose of baptism. Children already have the spark of faith under the covenant so baptism is unnecessary .
Could you please clarify for me if the statement in italics is what Dr. Lee believes, or what Dr. Lee believes Calvin teaches, or what you believe Calvin teaches, or if this is what you believe to be true? I can't quite determine who belongs to that statement. <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/stupidme.gif" alt="" />
Well, it certainly isn't what I believe! It is what Dr. Lee believes Calvin teaches. He frequently quotes Calvin so I don't think he making this stuff up out of thin air. From the chapter, "John Calvin on Baby Belief Before Baptism":
He[Calvin] showed that infant baptism seals God-given prenatal faith in tiny covenant children. . . So faith precedes baptism. As Calvin explained: "Our children, before they are born, God declares that He adopts for His own -- when He promises that He will be a God to us, and to our seed after us. In this promise, their salvation is included....How much evil has been caused by the dogma, ill expounded, that baptism is necessary to salvation!..."
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