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If I hadn't researched the relevant texts, I wouldn't have made the comments I have.

Did they include Matt:7:21-23 and 1 Cor. 5:11?

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The text you provided is ample evidence that Paul was saved prior to his baptism.

Not really. If you wish to prove men are saved (i.e., forensically justified) prior to baptism, why not choose saints for whom the evidence is conclusive (e.g., John the Baptist, Cornelius, etc.) rather than a saint like Paul for whom the evidence is doubtful?

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But regardless of the matter of "when", the fact remains that saving grace is NOT dispensed in, by or through baptism. J_Edwards has said so many times, as I have as well, baptism is a "sign" and a "seal" but it has no power to save. Your semi-Romanism doesn't cut it.

Do you think God saves us without outward means? Your brand of enthusiasm doesn't cut it.