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beloved57 said:
Joe, lets move on, you believe what you believe about the gospel and its fundamental message, and I believe what I believe. We will see on that day ! <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/shrug.gif" alt="" />

Your post has nothing to do with what the gospel is. You are concerned that every SINGLE time a "sermon" is recorded in the writ, it contains all 5 petals of the flower. This is where you error. And you put the concentration on mans understanding immediately. Yes you cloak this that it is given of God, but your MAJOR concentration is what was understood.

I will make this simple for you. When Christ called the disciples, this effectual call was their regeneration, not their conversion.

ASV: He findeth first his own brother Simon, and saith unto him, We have found the Messiah (which is, being interpreted, Christ). Jophn 1:41

That is it. And this proves his regenerancy.

When Peter gave his proclamation that "You are the Christ", this proves His regenerancy. No mention of any petal of the tulip