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Pilgrim said:
beloved57,

Here it is in a nutshell . . . Is the doctrine of a "Definite Atonement" a scriptural truth? Absolutely! Should this doctrine be taught and preached in the churches? Absolutely! <span style="background-color:#FF0000">This is were we disagree ! The truth of the gospel as to who christ died for , the sheep, the elect, the church, the chosen ones. It is a vital part of the gospel, perhaps even the stumblingblock!</span>. The Gospel which is to be proclaimed universally concerns itself with the efficacy and sufficiency of the atonement and not its extent, i.e., Jesus Christ came into the world to save sinners. And through faith in HIM sinners are reconciled to God through His death and resurrection. True, who he is and what he has done . Matt 1:21 ( he shall save his people from their sins) before Whom men must bow as Lord, receive as Saviour, and trust for life itself. In Him is found the remission of sins and eternal life.

"Assensus", the believing of truth, has never saved anyone. Robert Sandeman thought otherwise and believed that all one needed to do to be saved was to believe some basic facts, or truths. He thus removed the essential element of "Fiducia", i.e., the necessity of a prior work of regeneration which recreates the soul, imparting a new nature which creates a genuine desire within a person to loathe sin and to love God and thus to involve one's entire being in the embracing of the Lord Jesus Christ. It is during or after one is converted that the truth concerning the extent of the atonement is realized as can be seen in Paul's own testimony:

Now the issue is not believing the truth as an act we do to be saved, that is works, lets not confuse the issue. The point here is that, those who are saved will believe the gospel and that entails limited atonement 1cor 15:1-4 christ died for our (the brethern, elect,the chosen, the seed of abraham, the sheep, the children of God ) sins ! every word of God is inspired and has a purpose ! Pilgrim to say that limited atonement is not part of the gospel truth, is not good, you say its not, and the scripture says it is! Who should I believe?

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Galatians 2:20 (ASV) "I have been crucified with Christ; and it is no longer I that live, but Christ living in me: and that [life] which I now live in the flesh I live in faith, [the faith] which is in the Son of God, <span style="background-color:yellow">[/b]who loved me, and gave himself up for me[/b]</span>."<br>
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Thats paul own private testimony, he is not preaching the gospel !









[color:"FF0000"]This is a contradiction, it should not be excluded, because it is an essential truth, it describes for whom christ died![/color] If the subject happens to come up in conversation then it is perfectly legitimate to discuss it. But again, the emphasis which should most concern us in presenting the Gospel and that which is of necessity to the unbelieving world is that the death and resurrection of Christ has made atonement for sin to all who believe.( every, roman catholic and arminian, seven day adventis, would agree with this !

In His grace,