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beloved57 said:
The Gospel is not an offer to do something to get saved, it`s a proclamation of an establihed fact, Gods people are saved by the dearth burial and resurrection of the messiah. Faith rest in this accomplished fact, it does not do something to make it an accomplished fact
None are so blind than those who will not see! Your view of salvation is one that is shared in part with the heretic Karl Barth, albeit phrased in different language. The "elect, elect" he taught, were those who have come to realize in time that God has saved them in eternity and that faith accomplishes nothing. Man, you have gone beyond sticking your foot in your mouth to shooting yourself in the foot this time! [Linked Image] For you clearly stated your position once again, "[ala: death burial and resurrection of the Messiah] "Faith rest in this accomplished fact." While the Scripture tesifies against you and teaches that faith rests in the PERSON OF JESUS CHRIST.

You insist that salvation is not dependent upon one knowing correct doctrine, but you then turn around and accuse me, and my inference all who had a similar experience, including the Apostle Paul, of not even being regenerate at the time of my Spirit wrought conversion. Would you deny that an Amyraldian is saved? (in case you aren't familiar with the term, it is someone who is affectionately known as a 4 1/2 point Calvinist. He would say that Christ died for all but the merits of His death are only applied to believers. In fact we could substitute any of the infamous "Five Points" and ask the same question... e.g., is one who believes all but the doctrine of Unconditional Election saved? If you would dare to say, "No!" then you have proven the odious truth that you hold to "salvation by doctrine" and not "Sola Gratia, Sola Fide and Solus Christus", the very heart of biblical Christianity where by grace through faith ye are saved; ala Scripture.

In His grace, (not doctrine)


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